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BranjoHello: There is this movie P.S. I Love You. It's a good movie, but there is this one scene that will stay in mind forever. This chick is complaining about how she lives in a small apartment and asking when will she and her man move out into a bigger one. Now, I bet to great majority of peeps living "across the pond" this scene looks entirely normal, because they have never seen a studio apartment and in what tight spaces some people live. I and everybody who watched that scene with me LOLed real hard as for our country standards that "small apartment" was a luxury palace.
Movies are movies. If you believed Finnish movies and TV series, all Finnish people live in the very heart of Helsinki in an old stylish Jugend-style apartment house, where in real life only the very richest bankers etc. live. Or if it is an artsy-fartsy Finnish movie, then the artist lives in an old wooden house with a big yard and apple trees, but still very close to Helsinki center. No one lives in a plain looking apartment house built in the 60s or 70s in the suburbs next to a filthy looking old mall, like most people do. Well, unless the movie is about living in poverty in the suburbs, like "Nousukausi".

I presume it also depends quite much where you live, also in US. I recall reading some article of people who live in very small apartments in NYC, having so little room that they use e.g. the oven as a wardrobe. I guess that is why they eat outside so much, no room for cooking. Then again, in suburbs and countryside, it is probably wildly different, much more space.

I recall some old controversy about the classic TV series "Friends", how come such people with low occupations can afford to live in such spacious and expensive looking apartments in Manhattan?

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rtcvb32: To live rather comfortably you need very few possessions, and most of them are mufti-functional. Dave Canterbury says each tool/item should have at least 3 uses before he'd consider carrying it.
I don't want to know what are the other two things he does with his toothbrush, Or condoms.
Post edited February 02, 2015 by timppu
Does it have internet access?
Post edited February 02, 2015 by Crosmando
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XYCat: It seems like it's designed for people who actually have no possessions. I mean seriously, buy a couple of books and a guitar or something and your cubitat is totally clogged.
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rtcvb32: For downsized and quieter living, you choose your possessions carefully. If you don't have room for a guitar, how about a violin? Or a ocarina? Or maybe a harp? (Since a harp is just a bunch of tensioned strings, you could build the entire room as your acoustic chamber! Reminds me of that one next generation episode...)

To live rather comfortably you need very few possessions, and most of them are mufti-functional. Dave Canterbury says each tool/item should have at least 3 uses before he'd consider carrying it.

The house sizes in the US and most buildings are way overblown, currently to qualify for a house it's something like 2,400 square feet, when a tiny house of less than 250 square feet can be enough for a single person. Depending on climate, you could literally live out of a backpack.
Yeah you could live with no possessions but people tend to have some nevertheless. If I was to move just my books into that cubitat, I couldn't even fit myself in let alone live inside.
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XYCat: Yeah you could live with no possessions but people tend to have some nevertheless. If I was to move just my books into that cubitat, I couldn't even fit myself in let alone live inside.
Then you'd have too many books, quite simply.

I know when my parents moved to a smaller house in another state, they got rid of 3/4th of their possessions.

Keep what's functional, or has too big a sentimental value to get rid of. Course if you take a few tools with you, you can always make what you need at a more permanent spot, and leave those items behind f you have to leave again.

Guess that's one advantage of a laptop, is the space for dozens and dozens of books doesn't increase the weight of your belongings, so long as you have a power-outlet.

I guess more importantly you'd ask yourself what are the 10 things you would keep as personal possessions? We're not talking about survival so good knifes/cord/metal containers/food, 5/10C's, etc don't count. More importantly based on space and weight, assume you can carry it with you if you had to just up and leave suddenly, so a piano is clearly not an option.
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OlivawR: The proper question is Who would like to live like that?.
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wpegg: Me, in answer to you question.

I don't have any need for space, my life is very much centered around my computer and outside. As long as there's still an outside I'd be very happy with my own little cube. In fact I'd be much happier than having to share a house with 2 people as I currently do.
Same here. I live in a 2,000 square foot home on 6 acres of land out in the country. The upkeep on the land and the home is insane. Constant work, constant maintenance. If I ever get a chance to do the country life a second time, it's gonna be on lots of land, but a MUCH smaller home. I've seen people put in tiny log cabins, Earthship homes, and even modified shipping containers built into homes. Any of those seem like good ideas to me.

It's all about choice and comfort, I guess. But unless a person lives with a really large family, I don't see the need for a really big house. Large houses are often way more trouble than they're worth.
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timppu: I recall some old controversy about the classic TV series "Friends", how come such people with low occupations can afford to live in such spacious and expensive looking apartments in Manhattan?
This was explained in the series itself - Monica sub-let it cheaply (and illegally) from her grandmother.
I can't speak to areas outside of the US, but living aboard boats is common in some coastal areas. In fact, some marinas are liveaboard only and are like a friendlier version of neighborhoods.

The amount of space on the average liveaboard sailboat isn't much larger than the space you are talking about. Sure, there are the bigger boats with massive interiors and all the comforts, but the majority of them aren't that large. We know folks that have lived in spaces not much larger than what you are talking about for over 30 years, with kids.

We're in the process of moving aboard, which consists of getting rid of all our crap. I find myself disgusted at how much stuff we've accumulated over the years, unknowingly. We have a storage unit that is larger than our living space and are slowly getting rid of stuff, almost 90% of it is just garbage we hold on to for emotional reasons or rarely ever use.

When you trim down the bare "comfort" essentials:

- Fridge
- Stovetop
- Sleeping area
- Bathroom
- food storage

You really don't need that much space. It's kindof freeing getting rid of it all.

The thing I miss the most? My big desktop.
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XYCat: Yeah you could live with no possessions but people tend to have some nevertheless. If I was to move just my books into that cubitat, I couldn't even fit myself in let alone live inside.
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rtcvb32: Then you'd have too many books, quite simply.

I know when my parents moved to a smaller house in another state, they got rid of 3/4th of their possessions.

Keep what's functional, or has too big a sentimental value to get rid of. Course if you take a few tools with you, you can always make what you need at a more permanent spot, and leave those items behind f you have to leave again.

Guess that's one advantage of a laptop, is the space for dozens and dozens of books doesn't increase the weight of your belongings, so long as you have a power-outlet.

I guess more importantly you'd ask yourself what are the 10 things you would keep as personal possessions? We're not talking about survival so good knifes/cord/metal containers/food, 5/10C's, etc don't count. More importantly based on space and weight, assume you can carry it with you if you had to just up and leave suddenly, so a piano is clearly not an option.
More importantly I'd ask myself "What do I have to do to not getting in situations in which I'd have to get rid of stuff that I actually use and is valuable? How do I prevent stuffing myself into a box with just a bed and a washing machine?".
This microhabitat is obviously usable only for like commuters or for temporary housing or a cheap hotel rooms because it's just not fit for a longterm living as you can't fit any stuff in there and you most definitely can't raise a family in there.

Yeah sure you can live with just a little food and water and some sort of mini-room you sleep in. But that's just not how people usually live. Even the most poor people on this planet build homes, not just roofs over their heads.
Even the actually homeless people create "homes" for themselves inside whatever that's dry when in rains.

This cubitat is obviously not designed to be a home. It's just that roof over a person's, a single person's, head.
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timppu: I recall some old controversy about the classic TV series "Friends", how come such people with low occupations can afford to live in such spacious and expensive looking apartments in Manhattan?
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Crispy78: This was explained in the series itself - Monica sub-let it cheaply (and illegally) from her grandmother.
How convenient! I wish we all had such rich and generous grandmothers in real life! Mine died already when I was a small kid (I didn't kill her though).
Post edited February 02, 2015 by timppu
Cities like Berlin and Munich start to build little container cities for students, so this version is a luxus version. There is also a trend called tiny houses - live as spartan you can.


Both links unfortunately in german only:
Container-city for students near Berlin: http://www.eba51.de/
Tiny houses in berlin: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/tiny-houses-gegen-mietsteigerungen-wohnen-auf-kleinem-fuss-in-berlin/11205018.html
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DukeNukemForever: Cities like Berlin and Munich start to build little container cities for students, so this version is a luxus version. There is also a trend called tiny houses - live as spartan you can.

Both links unfortunately in german only:
Container-city for students near Berlin: http://www.eba51.de/
Tiny houses in berlin: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/tiny-houses-gegen-mietsteigerungen-wohnen-auf-kleinem-fuss-in-berlin/11205018.html
I always thought communists failed at marketing/propaganda and every day there's seems to be something confirming it.
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DukeNukemForever: Cities like Berlin and Munich start to build little container cities for students, so this version is a luxus version. There is also a trend called tiny houses - live as spartan you can.

Both links unfortunately in german only:
Container-city for students near Berlin: http://www.eba51.de/
Tiny houses in berlin: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/tiny-houses-gegen-mietsteigerungen-wohnen-auf-kleinem-fuss-in-berlin/11205018.html
At least everyone can see what you're doing at all times through the glass.
Post edited February 02, 2015 by omega64
Our pigeon-hole flats are pretty much the same, if not only slightly bigger. And they cost about 100K minimum, on avg around 200K-300K.
Kind of reminds me the beds that remind of coffins, chinese people sleep in during breaks from excessive work hours. Don't remember name and feel too lazy to search. Very sad. Confined places give me the creeps and i am not even claustrophobic...
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rtcvb32: For downsized and quieter living, you choose your possessions carefully. If you don't have room for a guitar, how about a violin? Or a ocarina? Or maybe a harp? (Since a harp is just a bunch of tensioned strings, you could build the entire room as your acoustic chamber! Reminds me of that one next generation episode...)
As an instrument maker and knowing a leading harp maker, I can only cringe at this statement.#
If you just bolt the strings into a solid wall, you'd have very little resonance.
Building such things is a bit more complicated.
Post edited February 02, 2015 by Klumpen0815