OK It isn't but at the end of Mafia Day 1 you don't base your vote on RVS or Random.org do you?

No it isn't. Last game, did anyone love those days of going around in circles and waiting and waiting for a nomination? In what is already a slow game? I didn't.

I could wait for days until someone... what? slips up? Admits they're Hitler?. Or try to base reads on... nothing? On what they say pre-game? On their post length or whether they started with a vowel?

Or I could just pick a name and go for it. And not get annoyed at time-wasting. Not annoyed = happy = better player. Ergo it's good liberal play.

Anyone wants to admit they're fascist? Or tell me their life-story? No? I pick Joe.

Skipping the first round is important enough, because you know Liberal policies will be passed. If they vote anything fascist you'll have identified 1-2 people VERY quickly, so even if they both are fascists, they would vote liberal for the first round as not to identify themselves.

So until the 2nd round and later there's very little information or use in fighting any option.

The only way Liberals can find out about the is by questioning, taking opinions and thoughts and see if anything seems scummy and at least not go with that player for Chancellor initially.

The advantage from the Town perspective of SH over Mafia is we get reads from policies

I suppose this is 'Day 1' and we can't get that much but Day 1 is never decided at random when something none random is also a possibility.

If you get 2 Liberal Cards and 1 Fascist Card what will you pass?

2L

Just as an FYI: I have no clue what anyone's alignment is. So anything I say should not be construed as any sort of opinion on the game (unless I'm taking an Official Mod Action, which is both unlikely and will be marked as such, in which case it is Law).

This one I disagree strongly with. The point of this first round is to check people. If you draw 2L and 1F, you should pass 1L and 1F on to Joe (under the assumption that the government gets accepted). Otherwise him passing 1L doesn't mean anything. In this game we analyze choices. If he doesn't have a choice, we don't learn anything about him.


About 'random.org vs other stupid random decisions': there is no hard distinction. Just a matter of preference. And I prefer personal reasons, that can give a feeling for the way a person thinks. Hiding behind an automated random decision algorithm is just that: hiding. That's why I don't like it. But I think we had this conversation in earlier games too.

OK. I'll pass LF.

I agree. And me using random.org gives you a feeling for the way I think. I'm the kind of person who'd rather use random.org (if only for fear of having my personal feelings cloud my judgment).
I could pretend to use any other silly reason, but it would just be pretending; it won't give you insight into the real me.

*Dances into the thread while playing the guitar and singing "Oh Susana"*
Bows dramatically

So we are still waiting on SirPrimal, Agent, Flub, and Joe. Wonder if they are having a fascist's anonymous meeting LOL

Why is it still an issue with how ZFR votes in the RVS stage? It's a known fact how he votes in RVS and trying to make an issue of it accomplishes nothing but to cause a stink out of a nothing issue.

We can skip rounds??

I guess I didn't read the rules close enough, teach me to skim the rules and think I can learn on the fly

*Goes to read the pdf rules instead of skimming*

Ok I see now, you don't actually "Skip" the round, you just don't vote the party into office. Would make no sense to do that the first round because then you're just in the same boat in the second round of voting an almost completely unknown factor.

I'll echo the passing of a liberal and fascist card to attempt to suss out the fascists or liberals . This is also where the lying comes in.

There is also some strategy in a liberal playing a fascist card.

OK. And I just thought of something else. If Joe does pass F out of LF, I'll get the investigate ability.

LF it is. (Assuming LLF). (Or LFF of course).

Oh? Already preparing the ground for passing an F card yourself, when it is your turn?

I would prefer if we would stick to passing L policies. I'm sure near the end of the round there will be a chance of FFF coming up and then somebody has to pass FF.

Besides if you pass a F policy in the first round, trust me, nobody will vote for you, nor believe your investigation.