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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CraveOnline
"CraveOnline is a male lifestyle website based in Los Angeles with sales offices in New York City, Chicago and San Francisco. The site is owned by media company Evolve Media, LLC. CraveOnline focuses its contents into the male-lifestyle audience. It owns a dozen websites and has partnered with many more, producing various content for each site."

Taken from the end of that article mentioned in the above quotation: http://www.craveonline.com/entertainment/972903-gamers-flood-baldurs-gate-expansion-negative-reviews-introduces-transsexual-character
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It's odd that in a fantasy game featuring giant ogres and dragons, the appearance of a transgender character is where so many draw the line in terms of realism. While complaining about the game's writing is one thing, this clear attempt to damage its success as a result of it including a transgender NPC is very disappointing and, considering it is being staged by a group that supposedly champions developers' artistic freedom, quite ironic.

Given that Mizhena is a minor NPC in the game and can be completely overlooked, that the exchange between her and the player is what has inspired so many to leave such negative user reviews, strongly suggests that those who are angered only believe in developers' artistic freedom when those developers are creating things that they personally agree with. Also, considering that GamerGate presents itself as a movement fighting against a culture of outrage all too willing to feign offence, it's also curious that the movement cannot take a joke at its own expense."
How the fuck is it getting glanced over every damn time?

It isn't this "OMG, TRANS CHARACTERS WTF"

All in all, the writing looks pretty poor and just adding a character and having them state that they are trans on meeting someone just seems out of place. Could've sworn most trans don't want to be known as being trans but as the gender they feel themselves to truly be that isn't what they were born with.
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Arinielle: How the fuck is it getting glanced over every damn time?

It isn't this "OMG, TRANS CHARACTERS WTF"

All in all, the writing looks pretty poor and just adding a character and having them state that they are trans on meeting someone just seems out of place. Could've sworn most trans don't want to be known as being trans but as the gender they feel themselves to truly be that isn't what they were born with.
Yeah. On the other hand, media and gaming has been handling social issues clumsily since the very beginning, and just talking about this is a step forward.

I figure in world of superheroes, knowing that anyone could potentially be way more powerful than you probably puts brakes on bigoted violence.
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Shadowstalker16: snip
Proof of harassment is literally all over the internet. Have you even Googled this? I am not here to educate you, do your research.

You treat KotakuInAction - a proudly pro-GG site - as a valid source but haven't bothered to even cursorily look at the other side of the story. I don't think our discussion is going to get anywhere until you realize that your bubble of GGers isn't giving you all the facts.

Also - sloppy journalism is a matter of carelessness (otherwise, it wouldn't be sloppy, it would be something else). Unethical journalism is breaking either the laws imposed on reporting (NOT reviewing) or in some cases going against a set of ethics that the newspaper/whatever has imposed. If you don't know what you're talking about, no one important is going to listen to you because your suggestions won't make any sense.

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ValamirCleaver: snip

https://archive.is/20160406100915/https://www.facebook.com/ed.greenwood.142/posts/10156746522575453%23

But D&D has half-orcs, and half-dragons, and half-elves, and has magic items that specifically change gender, right there in the rules. Surely, if you can handle the basic notion of cross-SPECIES sex, having a full variety of gender roles should be something that doesn't blow your mind. If it's not for you, that's fine. I hate wearing certain shades of yellow. But I don't scream and yell at someone I see wearing those shades of yellow, and call them names, and threaten things. My right to dislike yellow applies to me; it doesn't extend to others. Because somehow, through an incredible oversight on the part of the universe that still hasn't been rectified, no one made me a god. (I'm still crushed.)"
Yeah, it's like people don't even know what game they were playing. Like, magic and dragons and joke items that change sex is fine, but someone actually wanting to change their sex is so unbelievable and mind-blowing that we can't tolerate even a bit of it? Wut.
Post edited April 06, 2016 by Gilozard
https://www.facebook.com/TheEdVerse/posts/10153297537951534

https://archive.is/20160406143240/https://www.facebook.com/TheEdVerse/posts/10153297537951534%23

Ed Greenwood

Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 7:06pm

"And another thing: I have always felt HONOURED to have met, worked with, and enjoyed the work of so many talented women in all of my professional fields (library work has traditionally been dominated by females, gaming hasn't, and fiction-writing was male-dominated when I was young, but has steadily shifted throughout my lifetime). Does Paul Jaquays becoming Jennell Jaquays rob his, now her, artwork or game design or prose of one iota of its richness and the enjoyment it gives me? NO! And how by the Nine flaming Hells does one human being made happier by being the gender they prefer to be lessen my own security, or happiness, or make my life the less?

Sheesh.

The world has REAL problems, people. Telling someone else how to behave in bed (or dress, or what jobs they can hold down) isn't one of them. Or shouldn't be."
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omega64: So what other name could be used? I genuinely can't think of one.
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Daniel_M: I would be hard-pressed to find a fitting one myself, would have to think much more about it than I care to. :)

EDIT: I think I have seen the term "exploration game" used on occasion, which I could agree with for lack of a better one (not that that one is bad)

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Daniel_M: heh, could help, I think. :)
I do like exploration game, though the problem is you don't do much exploring in some of them. ;P
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Gilozard: Proof of harassment is literally all over the internet. Have you even Googled this? I am not here to educate you, do your research.

You treat KotakuInAction - a proudly pro-GG site - as a valid source but haven't bothered to even cursorily look at the other side of the story. I don't think our discussion is going to get anywhere until you realize that your bubble of GGers isn't giving you all the facts.

Also - sloppy journalism is a matter of carelessness (otherwise, it wouldn't be sloppy, it would be something else). Unethical journalism is breaking either the laws imposed on reporting (NOT reviewing) or in some cases going against a set of ethics that the newspaper/whatever has imposed. If you don't know what you're talking about, no one important is going to listen to you because your suggestions won't make any sense.
By ''proof'' do you mean preachy opinion pieces that mention the harassment and tie it to GG but don't cite any proof? Because that's all I found. You should do your research on this and actually come up with proof.

lol do you even know what an objective source is? Linking to KiA can still be a valid source if the information is objective, which it is. Basically, and I've said this many times, even if Hitler says 2=2+4, its still true.

It is imposed on reporting to fact check. They don't. Its their duty to. Hence, unethical. Except logic does make sense, as does government requirements for journalists, which Jim Sterling is being sued under. This isn't some optional thing. Journalists have a duty to fact check when reporting / claiming objective information.
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Shadowstalker16: Did you even read the link? It says the FTC responded that some suggestions from GG had a role in their updated requirements. What is there to get butthurt about?
If that wasn't a rhetorical question, I'd say its because you associate that forum with your own butthurt.
You get your information from /r/kotakuinaction, the primary breeding ground of Gamergate losers too afraid to post to 4chan or 8chan, or whatever you edgy teens post to now. Do you even read your own links?
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Shadowstalker16: Did you even read the link? It says the FTC responded that some suggestions from GG had a role in their updated requirements. What is there to get butthurt about?
If that wasn't a rhetorical question, I'd say its because you associate that forum with your own butthurt.
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TVs_Frank: You get your information from /r/kotakuinaction, the primary breeding ground of Gamergate losers too afraid to post to 4chan or 8chan, or whatever you edgy teens post to now. Do you even read your own links?
So because the information came from KiA, it is objectively invalid? And you base information trustworthiness based on who tells you the information? I don't think this kind of strawmanning is very smart.
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TVs_Frank: You get your information from /r/kotakuinaction, the primary breeding ground of Gamergate losers too afraid to post to 4chan or 8chan, or whatever you edgy teens post to now. Do you even read your own links?
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Shadowstalker16: So because the information came from KiA, it is objectively invalid? And you base information trustworthiness based on who tells you the information? I don't think this kind of strawmanning is very smart.
I'm just pointing out what you are, not what you post.
I'm still trying to figure out what "brigading" is.

Is it like having to ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long?
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Shadowstalker16: So because the information came from KiA, it is objectively invalid? And you base information trustworthiness based on who tells you the information? I don't think this kind of strawmanning is very smart.
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TVs_Frank: I'm just pointing out what you are, not what you post.
And I should care about your wise words about me because..................
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yogsloth: I'm still trying to figure out what "brigading" is.

Is it like having to ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long?
''Brigading'' is just left of ''racist'', which is just left of ''Nazi'' all of which are just right of ''creepy'' which is to the left of ''gross''.
Post edited April 06, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
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yogsloth: I'm still trying to figure out what "brigading" is.

Is it like having to ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long?
Right on!
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LiquidOxygen80: To be frank, the original quote showcased a mediocre writer's outright arrogance.
I would consider Baldur's Gate to be in the top ten CRPGs of all time, so in a way, it'd be like some hack saying they planned on re-writing Gone With The Wind, because Scarlett's depiction was problematic or some other buzzword.
To a lot of gamers, BG IS Gone With The Wind or Lawrence of Arabia.

Make a game that's a throwback to BG in an original setting, with your own characters, etc? Sure, knock yourself out and I wish you luck in that endeavor. Throw some gasoline on an already blazing fire, by making antagonizing comments AND making unwelcome changes to a classic, when people are already wary of your products, due to bugs and other issues with the EE versions? Flippin' stupid.
Dang. Just came back to high rate this only to find out I had already.

I don't even have a problem with trans- or otherwise by this situation as controversial considered characters appearing. BG is full of wacky stuff of all kind (Edwin/Edwina?) But if somebody claiming to "enhance" a classic for modern systems it is actually them that has to "suck it up" by being true to the game and the character personalities and not (exaggerating) living their long had dream by "correcting" said NPCs while laughing like a mad scientist in his volcanic villains lair. (/exaggerating)

And on top of it, as it sounds like, exaggerate the new characters instead of just letting them be normal (Shocking news to that writer: Gay people can totally look and sound normal because: drum-roll: they are people!) IMO its all total abuse of a very popular and very beloved franchise, that among a lot of things managed to single-handedly revive the back then believed dead RPGs genre in mainstream, for a personal social agenda. Thats IMO the most disgusting part :(

Thankfully I never d/l the EEs and got the store credit I asked for in exchange (kudos to the quick and uncomplicated process @ gog service :) ).
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yogsloth: I'm still trying to figure out what "brigading" is.

Is it like having to ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long-ling-long?
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tinyE: Right on!
Blocked by GEMA in Germany (something like the modern NSDAP with a capitalistic twist). Is it like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z13qnzUQwuI ? :D
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LiquidOxygen80: To be frank, the original quote showcased a mediocre writer's outright arrogance.
I would consider Baldur's Gate to be in the top ten CRPGs of all time, so in a way, it'd be like some hack saying they planned on re-writing Gone With The Wind, because Scarlett's depiction was problematic or some other buzzword.
To a lot of gamers, BG IS Gone With The Wind or Lawrence of Arabia.

Make a game that's a throwback to BG in an original setting, with your own characters, etc? Sure, knock yourself out and I wish you luck in that endeavor. Throw some gasoline on an already blazing fire, by making antagonizing comments AND making unwelcome changes to a classic, when people are already wary of your products, due to bugs and other issues with the EE versions? Flippin' stupid.
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anothername: Dang. Just came back to high rate this only to find out I had already.

I don't even have a problem with trans- or otherwise by this situation as controversial considered characters appearing. BG is full of wacky stuff of all kind (Edwin/Edwina?) But if somebody claiming to "enhance" a classic for modern systems it is actually them that has to "suck it up" by being true to the game and the character personalities and not (exaggerating) living their long had dream by "correcting" said NPCs while laughing like a mad scientist in his volcanic villains lair. (/exaggerating)

And on top of it, as it sounds like, exaggerate the new characters instead of just letting them be normal (Shocking news to that writer: Gay people can totally look and sound normal because: drum-roll: they are people!) IMO its all total abuse of a very popular and very beloved franchise, that among a lot of things managed to single-handedly revive the back then believed dead RPGs genre in mainstream, for a personal social agenda. Thats IMO the most disgusting part :(

Thankfully I never d/l the EEs and got the store credit I asked for in exchange (kudos to the quick and uncomplicated process @ gog service :) ).
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tinyE: Right on!
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anothername: Blocked by GEMA in Germany (something like the modern NSDAP with a capitalistic twist). Is it like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z13qnzUQwuI ? :D
Weird. It was a metal song about cars. :P
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anothername: Dang. Just came back to high rate this only to find out I had already.

I don't even have a problem with trans- or otherwise by this situation as controversial considered characters appearing. BG is full of wacky stuff of all kind (Edwin/Edwina?) But if somebody claiming to "enhance" a classic for modern systems it is actually them that has to "suck it up" by being true to the game and the character personalities and not (exaggerating) living their long had dream by "correcting" said NPCs while laughing like a mad scientist in his volcanic villains lair. (/exaggerating)

And on top of it, as it sounds like, exaggerate the new characters instead of just letting them be normal (Shocking news to that writer: Gay people can totally look and sound normal because: drum-roll: they are people!) IMO its all total abuse of a very popular and very beloved franchise, that among a lot of things managed to single-handedly revive the back then believed dead RPGs genre in mainstream, for a personal social agenda. Thats IMO the most disgusting part :(

Thankfully I never d/l the EEs and got the store credit I asked for in exchange (kudos to the quick and uncomplicated process @ gog service :) ).

Blocked by GEMA in Germany (something like the modern NSDAP with a capitalistic twist). Is it like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z13qnzUQwuI ? :D
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tinyE: Weird. It was a metal song about cars. :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ide3eVNxQ that one?