Real Time Tactics to be more precise, not Real Time Strategy. Meaning there's no base building or resources collection. I'm also out :P.

I agree!

They should of just gone with their own sci-fi setting at this point instead of nu-skynet.

Game is also too over priced.

It's should have. But yes, I don't get how you can make a Terminator title and get Skynet wrong. I haven't seen Dark Fate though, so I don't know if this "Legion" thing is from that film, or is it just this game being... special.

Man, it feels so weird to know there's a Terminator movie out there that I just completely ignored. And I even kind of liked Genisys. They really did all they could to make it look as unappealing as Ghostbusters 2016.

The movie is terrible, you will struggle to stay and watch it....I wasn't able to although I did like the Mexican girl and the starting future scene.....irredeemable filth of a movie.

Why are they using current day firearms in the trailer? In the Terminator 1/2 flashbacks everyone was using lasers and stuff.

It did have Arnold Schwarzenegger as the original terminator. Also i personally believe that Terminator Salvation was the worst Terminator movie to date.

The game starts mere months after Judgement day, when instead of Skynet (a cold war era AI that is supposed to do thermonuclear warfare), the thing that went sentient was Legion, an "Counter Insurgency" COIN AI. AKA a computer that is supposed to help win small wars like Afghanistan etc. The reason no skynet was because of John Conner and that mexican incident.

My understanding is therefore there was not a big boom of MAD, but a much smaller initial event, and lots of manipulation of remaining human forces, just like a good counter insurgency commander would do. This is why their infiltrators are better at being human, in a bid to win or manipulate hearts and minds. See the Rev 9 in the Dark fate movie who start being able to crack jokes and walk into secure areas. Therefore there are a ton of other human factions in game, some who work with the Machines.

So weapons wise, the plasma don't show up at the start. There is a time skip past the introductory mission of ten years, and you get some limited plasma and lasers. This was a big selling point to me because it is more near future, so you get tried and true stuff such as M113s, as well as Plasma Abrams. Plasma penetrates better, but since it dumps all its energy on the first thing it hits, it cannot pierce through, therefore so called slat or cage armor is great against it, and plasma has lower range some times and less ammo, and less splash.

To be honest the 50 cal and autocannons are the mainstay in the firepower race.

I feel, Hollywood is afraid. They don't try anything new. Instead, they repeat things that worked in the past and tell old stories again, under the premise, that the new generation has never seen the original movie or read the book, if there is one. Ergo, they retell a tried and tested story with modern effects, hoping it will hit another generation like it did back then.

Which is something that will work time and time again with narrative driven classics like Jules Verne. It will work with 1980s Eastern European SciFi books. But it will not work with accidental blockbuster action movies whose success depended on the time being the time and an iconic actor like Arnold, being Arnold.

The story was lackluster back then as well. Retelling a bad story isn't going to do anything, except make it obvious how poor it was to begin with. You need an iconic actor like Arnold and a primed market, with people desperately wanting a cool badass Robocop villain.

They forget that the world has moved on, culture changed, and even if the people they took on board are good actors in their own right, they just aren't Arnold. The Terminator has to be this one-liner, body-builder, too muscular-to-be-human hot guy, where you immediately believe at first glance that the only explanation of how this dude can even exist is that he isn't human.

Whoever is stripping a bad story bare, then casting some corner-store towel holder (f/m/d) for the role of terminator, using a lame excuse of "it is to make them blend in", is doing a poor job of understanding the franchise and their audience.

The whole point of the terminator franchise is the terminator being a one-trick pony, a brute mountain of muscle with the social skills of a sack of flour whose negotiation tactics are subtle as a tank. His logic is as impeccable, as it is predictable, giving way to dry humor and one-liners. You take that away, you end up with one of the countless B-movies of the time, all of which featured terminator-style robots in very similar stories. Why did they fail and Terminator succeed? Because Terminator had something they didn't. Terminator had Arnold. Plain and simple.

Looks interesting, wishlisted for now.

Yeah, not having seen Dark Fate I can't say which is worse, but that movie was pretty much irredimable. But, this did remind me that Salvation did have a pretty decent game tie-in at the time. I mean, it wasn't anything great, but one of those 6/10 games that are really quite enjoyable for what they are.

I think you're forgetting that Terminator 2 had Robert Patrick as T-1000 who was absolutely fantastic, and he's definitely not a "too muscular-to-be-human body builder".

Robert Patrick was a nobody at the time.

Before Terminator, he had played in Equalizer 2000 and Future Hunters. That was around the years Terminator came out. He didn't make a blob on people's radar.

The T-1000 as a story device was too overpowered to be interesting. The constantly shape-shifting character was not memorable for the very fact that it was constantly shape-shifting. Thus, Robert Patrick got less net screen time than you might remember. At least the T-1000 was a believable wimp in physical appearance, because we saw him turn into other people on screen. He was neither a believable machine nor a believable character. He was one-dimensional, with no humor to his character, not even by accident.

And once again, "the Terminator" in Terminator 2, was Arnold. He had the screen time, he had the lines. It was him on the movie posters--not the T-1000. The other main characters were not too shabby either, but people went to see the movie because they wanted Arnold. I don't think anybody would have been interested in a Terminator reboot with Robert Patrick as the Terminator and no Arnold in the credits.

We also need to remember that the climate in which Terminator was release was embedded and in tandem with releases of the Robocop franchise. This was a character-based story, focussed on "the terminator" and not much else.

There were dozens of Terminator-spin-offs at the time--if people had wanted a random reboot, they would have had plenty of options to choose from. 1989 Cyborgs even had Van Damme. Does anybody remember that movie? 1993 Cyborg Cop 1 and 2 with David Bradley? Cyborg 1, Cyborg 2, Cyborg 3? Cyber Tracker 1 and 2? Mandroid? Evolver? Robotrix? Lady Battle Cop? Nemesis 1, 2, and 3? And countless others.

Therefor, no matter which movie license you pick, a game that doesn't focus on the iconic duality of the terminator and its prey, is not a "terminator" game. It is "just another tactic shooter" using the terminator franchise as a backdrop.

That's not a bad thing at all, as a tactic shooter is not necessarily character driven. Thus, some healthy distance to the movies is almost a must-have in order to tell a coherent story. As long as the gameplay elements are solid, this can be a perfect little gem.

I just wish Hollywood would be as pragmatic about their own stuff: Realizing that just because you managed to put a nail into a wall before using a hammer, doesn't mean you can pull off the same "stunt" again, by using a chainsaw. A fresh new generation of actors need (and deserves) their own stories. If life gives you a chainsaw, find some wood.

Really? Even worse than T3??

I don't know about 00063, but personally I don't think T3 was bad at all. Not nearly as good as the first two, sure, but I still enjoyed it just fine. And I actually like it's ending more than T2's. Feels more in keeping with the first film.

This game could be actually be pretty good. But honestly folks who enjoyed the movie? I did not and I can't share my honest thoughts about it in this forum, don't wanna risk a ban... But somehow I liked the new enemy Terminator, reminded me of the one in T2, now with upgrades.