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Posted March 03, 2017
Is it 1984 yet?

<span class="bold">Orwell</span>, a surveillance simulator where you monitor the lives of others to identify potential terrorists, is now available, DRM-free on GOG.com, with a 25% launch discount!

We are being watched. The government has a secret system, a machine that spies on us every hour of every day. Its name is Orwell. You've been selected to act as its human collaborator, a researcher who reviews the data it gathers and decides which pieces are relevant to your terrorist investigation. Tread carefully: You're holding our Nation's freedom in your hands.

For additional ambiance, get the <span class="bold">Deluxe Edition</span> (also 25% off) or grab the OST <span class="bold">separately</span>.

The 25% discounts will last until March 9, 2PM UTC.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/V6fNucgzCDs
Post edited March 05, 2017 by maladr0Id
Posted March 03, 2017
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morolf: As for that game, sounds like a disturbing concept...is it meant as criticism of mass surveillance or actually justifying it???
Hey now, careful there. Those are questions only asked by those over-critical hipster SJW that occasionally pester this forum with their destructive censoring opinions, condescending academic approaches, demographic statistics, psychology and media influence theories. That's all destroying video games, man. Just enjoy the game or don't buy it!

However, this is what the developer had to say:

"Our main goal is not to transport a message. It's more about asking questions than giving answers," says co-creator Melanie Taylor. "We're hoping to get people to think about online information and surveillance as well as security.

"It's this privacy vs. security thing. The more security we have, the less privacy we enjoy. On the other hand, the more freedom people have, the more one could be afraid of security risks."
The Polygon article I took this from is linked below. The author describes an interesting oscillating tour de force between pangs of guilt and a deeply intrusive behaviour into the private lives of the fictional people of the game – way beyond necessity.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/11/29/13769024/orwell-review-PC

There's no moralizing. The surveillance evidently helps against the terrorist threat. You bring contrary values to the game from within yourself. You feel guilt intruding into the lives of those people, or you don't. The gameplay tantamounts to - simplified - detective work.
Post edited March 03, 2017 by Vainamoinen
Posted March 03, 2017
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morolf: is it meant as criticism of mass surveillance or actually justifying it???
I think it's meant for you to draw your own conclusion since when I played it I did not get the feeling that the game had a particular bias one way or the other, but that's just me...
Posted March 03, 2017
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Zoidberg: Nope, that's how COUNTRIES rule their people.
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gamesfreak64: update: countries dont really rule their people anymore since EEC was converted to EU.
Many people mixup EU and Europe, and then many people start saying dumb things like "Europe" is bad........
while Europe itself is great.

Europe :

Europe is a continent that comprises the westernmost part of Eurasia. Europe is bordered by the Arctic Ocean to the north, the Atlantic Ocean to the west, and the Mediterranean Sea to the south.
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gamesfreak64:

EU:

The European Union is a political and economic union of 28 member states that are located primarily in Europe. It has an area of 4,475,757 km², and an estimated population of over 510 million
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gamesfreak64: Political is their main goal, and the trade is a coverup,
get as many countries to create a sort of EUSA ( in the best case) or something worse.

The fun thing is , 99% of all this can be found on the internet, there are tons of posts and dozens of newssites who view it through a real glass and not through pinkglassess.

As for Uk after they have left EU, they will be great after a small while UK is strong (there are some weaker parts but these will turn around in time).

Seems there are countries who even might want to create a own block in Europe, its all on the net just google and all the information is there.
The idea of European Union is critical, but the way it was done is broken.

Money (and power) is the issue in Politics.
Posted March 03, 2017
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JudasIscariot: If that's not enough, there's always PRISM, The Five Eyes, and ECHELON :)
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fronzelneekburm: And facebook.
Nothing like german-made perfectionistic software run in china to detect dissidents so that they can kill em. Kill em all.
Posted March 03, 2017
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amok: need Beholder now to complete the " Big Brother is watching you "set
fixed for you
Post edited March 03, 2017 by Painted_Doll
Posted March 03, 2017
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GOG.com: We are being watched. The government has a secret system, a machine that spies on us every hour of every day.
Person of Interest much? ;)
Posted March 03, 2017
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Vainamoinen: There's no moralizing. The surveillance evidently helps against the terrorist threat. You bring contrary values to the game from within yourself. You feel guilt intruding into the lives of those people, or you don't. The gameplay tantamounts to - simplified - detective work.
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Posted March 03, 2017
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morolf: Hmm, maybe this forum actually does need some moderation.
As for that youtube video, the guy who uploaded it seems to be a genuine Nazi. If I had a Youtube account I'd actually be tempted to report his videos.
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MarkoH01: I just did. Guys like this are scum (actually I don't want to offend the scum - they are far worse) and people making jokes about it are not much better.

Anyway: 99% of the postings here are political. Does someone have anything to say about the actual game? Gameplay, goal, imersion ect.?
Good...I'm actually generally in favour of free speech, but that guy went way too far even for me with his pro-genocide propaganda. I hope Youtube will delete his videos; thank you for reporting it.
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morolf: As for that game, sounds like a disturbing concept...is it meant as criticism of mass surveillance or actually justifying it???
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Vainamoinen: Hey now, careful there. Those are questions only asked by those over-critical hipster SJW that occasionally pester this forum with their destructive censoring opinions, condescending academic approaches, demographic statistics, psychology and media influence theories. That's all destroying video games, man. Just enjoy the game or don't buy it!

However, this is what the developer had to say:

"Our main goal is not to transport a message. It's more about asking questions than giving answers," says co-creator Melanie Taylor. "We're hoping to get people to think about online information and surveillance as well as security.

"It's this privacy vs. security thing. The more security we have, the less privacy we enjoy. On the other hand, the more freedom people have, the more one could be afraid of security risks."
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Vainamoinen: The Polygon article I took this from is linked below. The author describes an interesting oscillating tour de force between pangs of guilt and a deeply intrusive behaviour into the private lives of the fictional people of the game – way beyond necessity.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/11/29/13769024/orwell-review-PC

There's no moralizing. The surveillance evidently helps against the terrorist threat. You bring contrary values to the game from within yourself. You feel guilt intruding into the lives of those people, or you don't. The gameplay tantamounts to - simplified - detective work.
I'm not sure SWJs (as I understand the term) care about such issues really that much...one of the things that really disgusts me about many US liberals is that they have little to say about "hard" issues like economic inequality, climate change, mass surveillance, the future of work or America's wars...instead it's about their feelings, how much they hate "racists" etc. (ok, maybe an unfair generalization...I don't really want to start a discussion about this anyway).
But thanks for the link to that Polygon article. If I understand correctly, the concept seems to be somewhat similar to that "Papers please" game (which I haven't played either) in that you're doing a job that might be ethically questionable, with the intention of making the player think about it. Actually sounds like an interesting concept so I might eventually have a look at that game (provided it runs on my crappy laptop).
Post edited March 03, 2017 by morolf
Posted March 03, 2017
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morolf: Hmm, maybe this forum actually does need some moderation.
As for that youtube video, the guy who uploaded it seems to be a genuine Nazi. If I had a Youtube account I'd actually be tempted to report his videos.
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MarkoH01: I just did. Guys like this are scum (actually I don't want to offend the scum - they are far worse) and people making jokes about it are not much better.

Anyway: 99% of the postings here are political. Does someone have anything to say about the actual game? Gameplay, goal, imersion ect.?
You reported the guy on jewtube?
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MarkoH01: I just did. Guys like this are scum (actually I don't want to offend the scum - they are far worse) and people making jokes about it are not much better.

Anyway: 99% of the postings here are political. Does someone have anything to say about the actual game? Gameplay, goal, imersion ect.?
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morolf: Good...I'm actually generally in favour of free speech, but that guy went way too far even for me with his pro-genocide propaganda. I hope Youtube will delete his videos; thank you for reporting it.
You people seriously believe his "pro-genocide propaganda" is going to lead people to actually commit genocide or advocate it?
Post edited March 03, 2017 by Massacra
Posted March 03, 2017
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Germans stop signaling makes you look desperate for attention.
Posted March 03, 2017
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Massacra: You people seriously believe his "pro-genocide propaganda" is going to lead people to actually commit genocide or advocate it?
Well, it's probably highly unlikely the creators or fans of that video ever get the chance to act out their wishes, but if they had the power to do so, why wouldn't they?
But since you're using terms like "Jewtube", I don't think I'm going to waste any time discussing this with you...bye!
Posted March 03, 2017
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Massacra: You people seriously believe his "pro-genocide propaganda" is going to lead people to actually commit genocide or advocate it?
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morolf: Well, it's probably highly unlikely the creators or fans of that video ever get the chance to act out their wishes, but if they had the power to do so, why wouldn't they?
But since you're using terms like "Jewtube", I don't think I'm going to waste any time discussing this with you...bye!
You could say pro-race mixing is genocide propaganda..but i doubt any of you would be the first to attack that/

I seriously doubt the majority of these people actually want to wage genocidal mayhem against whomever.
Posted March 03, 2017
I don't really like concept of this game, still it is truly Orwell game

Anyway, no need to buy this game, you can hit report buttons for free :/
Posted March 03, 2017
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GOG.com: We are being watched. The government has a secret system, a machine that spies on us every hour of every day.
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Cygi: Person of Interest much? ;)
*Bear wags tail excitedly*
Posted March 03, 2017
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morolf: (ok, maybe an unfair generalization...I don't really want to start a discussion about this anyway).
Keeping this short then. There's nothing to understand about the "SJW" label. It's an arbitrary cluster of dehumanizing traits baked into an enemy concept and slapped to people's backs. Yet people who have the label "SJW" thrown at them frequently indeed are often interested in the surveillance question. Our perspective on the US situation is very limited and unfair in that we often only see two political parties that both don't give a shit, while there are in fact a whole lot of people fighting for these kinds of social justice as well. It's similar in Germany, actually. The two biggies are steadily working towards total surveillance, and they just plain fail at being ashamed of themselves. The general public stands against that, to no avail.

Oooops, I think we're being on topic here.


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morolf: But thanks for the link to that Polygon article. If I understand correctly, the concept seems to be somewhat similar to that "Papers please" game (which I haven't played either) in that you're doing a job that might be ethically questionable, with the intention of making the player think about it.
I think that's basically it. Both games make you do crappy things that nonetheless do the job you're meant to do. Moral judgement is yours to pass.
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