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If I no longer have the game in my Steam library, do I still get to keep it on GOG
If a game is removed from your Steam account for any reason, such as through manual deletion or a refund – we reserve the right to remove the games from your GOG.com library.
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I also have issues with this clause, because I have and will continue to do this regardless of whether I get the game through this scheme or not, because I've been actively buying all the games I already own on Steam, the moment a GOG release appears.

Then removing the Steam version as a matter of course, I would also like some way of keeping my Steam Library private, I don't want to publiclyy display that library, or ny GOG library for that matter.

I will never buy another game on Steam, so a static list will suit my needs, which is simply to get all my existing steam games on GOg, and destroy that useless piece of trash.

I feel this could penalise me, simply because I want only the GOG release, I welcome any additional free games, and understand the need to stop abuse of this system, so would like some clarification as to the exersize of such rights, which I fully accept GOG needs to apply this.

Such reassurance, is that it's only a right and power GOG has, and that it's not automated, I reserve the right to remove Steam and every other store client from my PC, that would include GOG Galaxy, if I didn't already have the right to not use that piece of trash.
To me asll store clients are trash, and I will no longer purchase any game locked to such trash.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by UhuruNUru
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joppo: Suppose either of these companies goes under. If your game was kept exclusively in this unfortunate store first of all you're not going to receive any future patches or extra content. Heck, you're not even allowed to buy DLC because you "don't own" the base game as far as they know.

But more than that all you have now is your copy currently sitting in your HD. Which are subject to every kind of mechanical or eletrical failure, virus, ramsomware, fire, water, fat-fingering the Delete and Enter keys... coming home to find your 5yo nephew trying to play games in "uncle infyrim's computer"... Pick your choice among so many ways to lose important data.
It'll be years until they go under.

Also, I'm not that care-free about my data. I suppose the idea of flash drives and external hard drives aren't in existence.
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infyrin: I've left the question to the staff themselves. I'll see what their official word on the matter is. Until then, everything is up in the air and this is all just aimless assumption.
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zeogold: Wait, do you think this is a support forum? It's not. If you want a direct response from the staff, you're more likely to get it by filing a support ticket. Considering the large number of threads that are all talking about this subject at once, it's not likely that you're going to get an answer from them here. Heck, you're probably going to have to wait a good while to get an answer from a support ticket.
Already on that, if you read.
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zeroxxx: Let's take example of Witcher 2.

You have it on Steam, and use GOG connect to redeem on GOG. You download GOG copy and delete Steam copy (through Steam's self support).

GOG the realizes you no longer have it on Steam and removes your copy of Witcher 2 here.

Guess what, you are INELIGIBLE to play that Witcher 2 anymore. Your license to play it legitimately is gone. If you install it for whatever reason, you are pirate.

Just because it's DRM free doesn't mean you can do as you please legally.
You're right in the sense that I can't do as I please legally. But who are you to assume my next action is to upload it for all to download from? That's a baseless assumption.

This is for the purposes of backing up, something I doubt would violate anything legal. The legal line would be stepped over if I were to take said downloaded copy, torrent it and allow it to be downloaded until I am caught. Not my intention.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by infyrin
No. You're wrong. It has nothing to do with downloading or uploading.

If your GOG copy is revoked for whatever reason, that copy in your HDD is illegal as well. Period.
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zeroxxx: No. You're wrong. It has nothing to do with downloading or uploading.

If your GOG copy is revoked for whatever reason, that copy in your HDD is illegal as well. Period.
Define that whatever reason, then. Because it sounds like I'd have to give them a reason before they delete the game. Which sounds like something that involves stepping over legal bounds.
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infyrin: Define that whatever reason, then. Because it sounds like I'd have to give them a reason before they delete the game. Which sounds like something that involves stepping over legal bounds.
Whatever reason at their discretion. Whether you step on their dog's tails, you annoy their shit, you post here etc.

Basically anything.

You own that DRM free copy when you have legal copy in your GOG library. You don't have legal copy, you're goner. Pirate. Thief. Scumbag.
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zeroxxx: Whatever reason at their discretion. Whether you step on their dog's tails, you annoy their shit, you post here etc.

Basically anything.

You own that DRM free copy when you have legal copy in your GOG library. You don't have legal copy, you're goner. Pirate. Thief. Scumbag.
Welp, we'll see what their official word is then. Because, it sounds like to me that they haven't put much of thought into this because it's turning into an issue. Quite honestly this is the only single problem I have with Gog Connect.

However, I still believe that you truly step on their tails the moment you upload it somewhere without anyone's consent. So far, I'm not making any moves, I'm waiting on their word.
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joppo: Suppose either of these companies goes under. If your game was kept exclusively in this unfortunate store first of all you're not going to receive any future patches or extra content. Heck, you're not even allowed to buy DLC because you "don't own" the base game as far as they know.

But more than that all you have now is your copy currently sitting in your HD. Which are subject to every kind of mechanical or eletrical failure, virus, ramsomware, fire, water, fat-fingering the Delete and Enter keys... coming home to find your 5yo nephew trying to play games in "uncle infyrim's computer"... Pick your choice among so many ways to lose important data.
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infyrin: [spoiler]
It'll be years until they go under.

Also, I'm not that care-free about my data. I suppose the idea of flash drives and external hard drives aren't in existence.
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zeogold: Wait, do you think this is a support forum? It's not. If you want a direct response from the staff, you're more likely to get it by filing a support ticket. Considering the large number of threads that are all talking about this subject at once, it's not likely that you're going to get an answer from them here. Heck, you're probably going to have to wait a good while to get an answer from a support ticket.
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infyrin: Already on that, if you read.
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zeroxxx: Let's take example of Witcher 2.

You have it on Steam, and use GOG connect to redeem on GOG. You download GOG copy and delete Steam copy (through Steam's self support).

GOG the realizes you no longer have it on Steam and removes your copy of Witcher 2 here.

Guess what, you are INELIGIBLE to play that Witcher 2 anymore. Your license to play it legitimately is gone. If you install it for whatever reason, you are pirate.

Just because it's DRM free doesn't mean you can do as you please legally.
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infyrin: You're right in the sense that I can't do as I please legally. But who are you to assume my next action is to upload it for all to download from? That's a baseless assumption.

This is for the purposes of backing up, something I doubt would violate anything legal. The legal line would be stepped over if I were to take said downloaded copy, torrent it and allow it to be downloaded until I am caught. Not my intention.
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Wrong, i have the offline installer for every GOG game I own, so regardless of whether the store ceases to trade I keep the installer, and GOG states that in the event of them ceasing to trade, they would do everything in their power to give you who never bother to actually download the installer, to get your game.

Your talk of DRM misses the entire point of why I buy from GOG, I get to keep the game, whether the site exists or nott.
The argument of game corruption is a false one, if you use the installer.

I don't want to keep Steam, never mind the games I was foolish enough to get there.
If I can deal with GOG, i trust them to deal with me as humans.
If Steam has a say, it would be automated, as the support is awful, over there.

As for losing data, my problem, and one I already adequately protect against, by archiving and backing up the offline installer, the installed game is rendered suplus, to that system.

Bloody online client mentality, i need nor want any of it, it can go to hell, I'm mainly a SPG player, but every multiplayer game, should have a game specific client, as part of the game.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by UhuruNUru
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zeroxxx: No. You're wrong. It has nothing to do with downloading or uploading.

If your GOG copy is revoked for whatever reason, that copy in your HDD is illegal as well. Period.
No offense, but that doesn't make any difference.
Nothing will happen.
They won't contact interpol because you have a GOG copy in your computer.
They probably won't even know you have the files.
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almabrds: No offense, but that doesn't make any difference.
Nothing will happen.
They won't contact interpol because you have a GOG copy in your computer.
They probably won't even know you have the files.
Correct. You're right, they won't do anything.

Still doesn't make it right. Just because there's no repercussion doesn't make it ok. That's all.

People pirating games and you in that case are no different.

I am merely explaining from logical point of view and legal understanding, I'm not trying to teach people moral or anything.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by zeroxxx
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zeroxxx: No. You're wrong. It has nothing to do with downloading or uploading.

If your GOG copy is revoked for whatever reason, that copy in your HDD is illegal as well. Period.
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almabrds: No offense, but that doesn't make any difference.
Nothing will happen.
They won't contact interpol because you have a GOG copy in your computer.
They probably won't even know you have the files.
Also, if GOG absolutely and really cared about this. They wouldn't have made the option to have offline installers in the first place. But GOG is all about DRM-Free to the point of involving offline installers plus an optional client of their own that doesn't require you to have it running at all times like Steam's does.
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infyrin: Also, if GOG absolutely and really cared about this. They wouldn't have made the option to have offline installers in the first place. But GOG is all about DRM-Free to the point of involving offline installers plus an optional client of their own that doesn't require you to have it running at all times like Steam's does.
GOG's main principle is DRM free world. Hence, trusting you with the moral you need to uphold.

If they don't, Steam would have crushed them in a heartbeat. There's simply no competition if GOG didn't have DRM free principle.
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almabrds: No offense, but that doesn't make any difference.
Nothing will happen.
They won't contact interpol because you have a GOG copy in your computer.
They probably won't even know you have the files.
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zeroxxx: Correct. You're right, they won't do anything.

Still doesn't make it right. Just because there's no repercussion doesn't make it ok. That's all.

People pirating games and you in that case are no different.

I am merely explaining from logical point of view and legal understanding, I'm not trying to teach people moral or anything.
I'm not going to argue on the moral grounds of piracy. Other than, it is a huge mess and that I completely disagree with pirating for profit. That is a disgusting method of piracy and I don't approve of that kind by any means. However, I am impartial with siding with the pirates on the grounds that the copyright and DMCA is broken/abused.

Piracy has become much more now than just simply users banding together to download/upload files en mass. It became a form of movement, a movement against the industry's corrupting practices among all forms of media. Pirating won't stop until there is an equal and fair measure reached that can appease all parties involved. That, though is looking rather bleak.

I frequent a site called TorrentFreak which reports everything on Copyright to know that it goes a lot deeper than what people see on the surface.

Also, if there's no repercussion and the lines are drawn around it - what's the issue? That's something I want to find out with this concern. Where are the lines drawn if someone has the offline installer still despite having their Steam-turned-GOG game with intent to keep the offline installer and their steam game manually deleted knowing that GOG reserves that right to purge said game from their GOG library because the Steam one doesn't exist.
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zeroxxx: Correct. You're right, they won't do anything.

Still doesn't make it right. Just because there's no repercussion doesn't make it ok. That's all.

People pirating games and you in that case are no different.
Not actually true, for pirates yes you are right, but if you legitimately bought the game, and never tried to refund it, then removal from Steam is irrelevant.
GOG transferred the right to provide you with a DRM free game, I have no doubt, GOG won't abuse their position, if I do not abuse mine.
I simply don't trust Valve, like I do GOG, only GOG gives me the offline installer, and that makes the game my legally owned copy.
Regardless of whether they recind my right to access the site, I still bought the game, and got the installer legally.

The rights GOG keep here is to protect against abuses, not to deprive legal owners of their content, if they wanted such power. they wouldn't giove you the installer.
I can still use the installer to play the game I legally bought, it's you who rely on store clients who can't
Post edited June 02, 2016 by UhuruNUru
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zeroxxx: Correct. You're right, they won't do anything.

Still doesn't make it right. Just because there's no repercussion doesn't make it ok. That's all.

People pirating games and you in that case are no different.
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UhuruNUru: Not actually true, for pirates yes you are right, but if you legitimately bought the game, and never tried to refund it, then removal from Steam is irrelevant.
GOG transferred the right to provide you with a DRM free game, I have no doubt, GOG won't abuse their position, if I do not abuse mine.
I simply don't trust Valve, like I do GOG, only GOG gives me the offline installer, and that makes the game my legally owned copy.
Regardless of whether they recind my right to access the site, I still bought the game, and got the installer legally.

The rights GOG keep here is to protect against abuses, not to deprive legal owners of their content, if they wanted such power. they wouldn't giove you the installer.
I can still use the installer to play the game I legally bought, it's you who rely on store clients who can't
Steam though may step in somewhere, if they want to, by saying that you originally bought the copy on their store - not GoG's. So in technicality, it'd be Steam telling you what to do on that regard, wouldn't it?
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UhuruNUru: Not actually true, for pirates yes you are right, but if you legitimately bought the game, and never tried to refund it, then removal from Steam is irrelevant.
GOG transferred the right to provide you with a DRM free game, I have no doubt, GOG won't abuse their position, if I do not abuse mine.
I simply don't trust Valve, like I do GOG, only GOG gives me the offline installer, and that makes the game my legally owned copy.
Regardless of whether they recind my right to access the site, I still bought the game, and got the installer legally.

The rights GOG keep here is to protect against abuses, not to deprive legal owners of their content, if they wanted such power. they wouldn't giove you the installer.
I can still use the installer to play the game I legally bought, it's you who rely on store clients who can't
Strongly disagree.

GOG gives you the license as well, not anything else. Steam and GOG aren't different. It's just one side employs stricter DRM content and the other is DRM free completely. Both are platforms that only give out license.

2. USING GOG.COM AND GOG CONTENT

You have the personal right to use GOG content and services. This right can be waived by us in some situations (examples are below). 2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'licence') to use GOG.com to download and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content and other GOG services. This licence is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this licence in some situations, which are explained later on.

GOG games might have extra EULAs (End User Licensing Agreement) for you to accept. 2.2 When you buy or install GOG games, you might have to agree to additional contract terms with the developer/publisher of the game (e.g. they might ask you to agree to a game specific End User Licence Agreement). If there is any inconsistency or dispute between those ‘EULAs’ and this Agreement, then this Agreement wins.

As for the video content, stream or download it and watch the way you want.
Post edited June 02, 2016 by zeroxxx