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In a dark cyberpunk world shattered by plagues and wars, you become a neural police detective who hacks into the jagged minds of others. Observer: System Redux, the definitive vision of the award-winning cyberpunk thriller, is now available in pre-order on GOG.COM with the game’s premiere set for 10th November 2020. Take the role of Daniel Lazarski, an elite investigator of the future portrayed by late cyberpunk icon Rutger Hauer and hack into the minds of suspects to extract clues and evidence.

If you pre-order Observer: System Redux before its release on GOG.COM, you will receive a 10% discount.

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MarkoH01: Oh, it would not surprise me if this in fact was the case - GOG has a long history with *cough* technical problems. Anyway, like I said, even the bug itself has not been confirmed yet (it is not happening for me) so I am just saying that imo we should be careful how to phrase our words so that others can still see which are facts and which are assumptions.
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Draek: Hard to "confirm" something already fixed but... basic outline is:

- Game gets announced with 80% discount
- I add it to my cart, don't finish the purchase

* days later *

- I see game has been removed from the store, and upgrade is back to 10% discount
- I remove it, still at 10%
- I add it again, still at 10%
- I pretend to finish payment, PayPal still shows total as if it were at 10% discount
- I cancel the transaction and post about it on the forums

* hours later *

- I come back, 80% discount
- I finish the transaction and post about the bug having been fixed

So no, it wasn't user error; at most it could've been a regional issue, though it's more likely that it was just short-lived enough few noticed.

And as a software engineer myself, let me confirm that stuff like this happens all the time on nearly every kind of platform; QA time isn't unlimited, so it's obvious you'll put special emphasis on stuff that actually harms users and your business, which means some QoL stuff can slip through the cracks sometimes, requiring a quick "hotfix". And awfully-designed APIs are also, sadly, common in the industry; I haven't used GOG's yet, but I've had to deal with banks' internal APIs at work, and you'd think maximizing the users' suffering was an actual design goal.

So really, as long as these kind of inconveniences are fixed quickly and there are no serious bugs on the scale of what I've heard from a certain four-letter company *cough*, I count myself as a satisfied customer.
Thank you for your report. As so often with software it seemed to be a bug that occured but not for everyoene - I did exactly the same and my account never changed ... but I never removed the game from the cart. Nopw the only question is ... what company does have four letters ... *think*
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MarkoH01: But sometimes even regular "updates" required a lot of work and time.
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toxicTom: Regular updates are bugfixes and dealing with compatibility issues. Those are - and should be - included in the price you pay for the game.
Sure. I only mentioned this because you said that it would be an important criteria if you should pay for something again would be how much work went into the new thingy. So with this definition even some updates that just fixed bugs would hbe eligible to be paid for which obviously is not what you wanted to say.

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toxicTom: Getting something new out of it - well it would have been nice to get it for free, but I don't feel entitled to that, at all.
You are still using this word "entitled". Why? There's a difference in expecting something or feeling entitled to it. Many doe expect that an upgraded version would be given away for original owners for free - that does not mean that they think they are entitled to this. It's a fine line but imo an important one.

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toxicTom: For me - as a consumer - the devs made an offer "We worked on the game some more, and made an (in our view) improved version. Since you already have the original, it's only 5€". To which I can say yes or no. There's really nothing more to it.
I don't think that most consumers would even THINK about the dev side (they worked on the game) at all. They are the consumer and they don't have to make sure that a dev survives or not. So the question is even more simple: "Am I willing to pay for what they promise?". No dev side included at all.

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toxicTom: I said yes, knowing it's a gamble - maybe the new stuff feels tacked on, maybe it was cut out in the first place for a reason. Or, on the other hand, it's content that then, with the time and budget, couldn't be implemented, but now it's possible. For a price. We'll see, I guess.
Agreed here - it is a gamble ... and loonking at the comparision videos I am not convinced with the outcome I saw so far (of course that's my subjective opinion only). Why did they have to remove effects? And the more important question: how much of additional story can we really expect?

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toxicTom: And remasters and new editions are not mostly free, that's simply not true. It's still a reason to thank every dev/pub who goes that way. Some companies/divisions, like EA Sports build their whole business model on selling the same game all over again, with some minor improvements. Not that I like that, but I'm very free to ignore those products.
Okay, I don't have any idea how this works in the AAA market, I have to confgess. But yes, in the indie market I can't remember many games I had to pay again full price. Maybe you could give me a few examples and thenm we can count and see if you are correct?

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toxicTom: And as gamers, we are already privileged in this regard, because we mostly do get at least a discount. Bought a movie and want the DC? Pay again. Bought an album and want the version with the bonus track? Pay again. Bought a novel, but want the version with the new appendix and map? Pay again.
As it has been said (and that is a statement I agree to) you are comparing different industries with different rules - especially since you are also comparing physical goods with digital goods. The logistics alone are different.
Post edited November 08, 2020 by MarkoH01
I wonder if achievements will work on this one (like advertized). In the original they never worked and here is what Aspyr said to me when I asked them about it years ago (2017):

"Achievements have never been supported in the GOG version of the game.
GOG has it's own entitlement system (Galaxy) that does not work with the game."
Post edited November 08, 2020 by MarkoH01
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MarkoH01: You are still using this word "entitled". Why? There's a difference in expecting something or feeling entitled to it. Many doe expect that an upgraded version would be given away for original owners for free - that does not mean that they think they are entitled to this. It's a fine line but imo an important one.
Agreed. But some people - IMO - cross this line.

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MarkoH01: Okay, I don't have any idea how this works in the AAA market, I have to confgess. But yes, in the indie market I can't remember many games I had to pay again full price. Maybe you could give me a few examples and thenm we can count and see if you are correct?
I'm talking about paying at all, not necessarily full price. Like here. And back in the day, you simply couldn't exchange your physical copy for a "new and improved" version. You had to buy the game anew. See Broken Sword, Monkey Island & Co., X-Wing/TIE Fighter...
On GOG the situation is often special since the games are old enough to already are "remastered" when they arrive here (Bioshock...).
Still even rather horrible "upgrades" like Simon the Sorcerer and (arguably) the Beamdog games cost money here.
In the AAA market the EA Sports games like FIFA are infamous to ask a lot of money for their yearly "upgrades" (plus MTX...), but tbh I don't follow the situation there too much.

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MarkoH01: As it has been said (and that is a statement I agree to) you are comparing different industries with different rules - especially since you are also comparing physical goods with digital goods. The logistics alone are different.
Yes and no. From a consumer point of view, getting the DC of a movie, and a DC/EE/Redux of a game is not so different. And movies have long gone digital too, see Amazon Prime & Co.
But my point was: Maybe we sometimes should stop whining and be grateful for what we have. :-)
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gizmomelb: I have >Observer in my game library but Observer: Redux still says only 10% discount.
In case you haven't tried, if you add to cart then the 80% discount will kick in.
80% discount is still being pretty glitchy here.
After adding Observer to the shopping cart, it displays an 80% discount, but the total price remains at €22.45 :/

EDIT: Reloading the page is a discount roulette of -10% and -80%, seems like the server gremlins are having a field day :D
Post edited November 09, 2020 by Aemenyn
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Aemenyn: EDIT: Reloading the page is a discount roulette of -10% and -80%, seems like the server gremlins are having a field day :D
Raise Haggle skill ;-)
This is ridiculous. I finally decided to buy and now first the 80% discount is not shown in cart and after a few tries it is shown in the card but not at checkout. Check your servers GOG!

No, now it isn't working anymore at all. Guess I won't buy the game then.
Post edited November 09, 2020 by MarkoH01
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MarkoH01: This is ridiculous. I finally decided to buy and now first the 80% discount is not shown in cart and after a few tries it is shown in the card but not at checkout. Check your servers GOG!

No, now it isn't working anymore at all. Guess I won't buy the game then.
Same here, I waited till today because I didn't have time to play the demo. Now there is not trace of a 80% discount anywhere. The offer terms I got per Email clearly stated that the offer is valid until the game is release.

Don't expect me to buy the game at full price after this bait and switch, GOG!
It still does not work. Thanks GOG, because of your technical glitches, I am now unable to buy this game.
Edit: Okay, I went a different route. I purchased and created a support ticket for the additional discount. In case they won't grant the discount I will refund. At least this way I still have a chance to get it. I won't download before this is clarified so this should not be a problem.
Post edited November 10, 2020 by MarkoH01
ATTN: The original observer is no longer in my library for download via the website, only through galaxy!
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TZODnmr2k5: ATTN: The original observer is no longer in my library for download via the website, only through galaxy!
>observer_ is still there.
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TZODnmr2k5: ATTN: The original observer is no longer in my library for download via the website, only through galaxy!
The original game is still included in my library (for searching you have to search for ">observer" including ">" to find it) but I miss the paid redux version (neither available on website nor via galaxy) and better, even my order recipe disappeared from my order history (so I'm glad of having an email replicate). I hope GOG will fix this soon.
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TZODnmr2k5: ATTN: The original observer is no longer in my library for download via the website, only through galaxy!
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surfer1260: >observer_ is still there.
You're right, I was mistaken!

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TZODnmr2k5: ATTN: The original observer is no longer in my library for download via the website, only through galaxy!
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ditorius: The original game is still included in my library (for searching you have to search for ">observer" including ">" to find it) but I miss the paid redux version (neither available on website nor via galaxy) and better, even my order recipe disappeared from my order history (so I'm glad of having an email replicate). I hope GOG will fix this soon.
Du'oh! You're right, though when I searched my games a week or so ago, I did not have to use the > in order for both to show up in my library; strange... Thanks though for the info!
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MarkoH01: This is ridiculous. I finally decided to buy and now first the 80% discount is not shown in cart and after a few tries it is shown in the card but not at checkout.
Oh, so there's supposed to be a discount for the owners of the original game. Neat. Only it doesn't show for me either...

Anyway, seems that the "Redux" doesn't come with Linux support, which is a bummer for me.
Post edited November 10, 2020 by WinterSnowfall