Gersen: We disagree on that; [...]
Yes, we do.
Gersen: [...]
Before you make me say something I haven't; what I call "drama thread/post" it is
NOT thread/post of peoples complaining about missing/incomplete/broken features on Gog, nor it is about thread of peoples complaining about changes in policies they don't like. There is absolutely nothing wrong with those.
What I call "drama thread/post" is when peoples goes all "blog-y" / theatrical / over-emotional about it. Like some of the "
I am leaving Gog forever" six thousands words essays we get from time to time (less recently). [...]
Thanks for making the distinction, I guess. Still, different people express themselves in different ways; you may dislike some people's way, and look down at them for it, but using that in this discussion does not give your argument more validity, hence has not place in it.
On a side note, publicly stating why one's discontented with GOG and taking their business elsewhere is a very legit way for GOG to take notice; doing it on these boards is as good as any place.
Gersen: [...] That's the big thing, I never said I did. [...]
I'd think that, if/when someone doesn't consider something a valid argument on GOG's part, they'd not use it in a discussion/debate when attempting to counter-argue and explain, perhaps even justify, their actions.
As for the conspiracy comment, even if that was my kind of thing, there's no need to. It's a fact that, as I've said a few times already, GOG has invested and keeps investing quite the resources in developing GOG Galaxy, which makes it self-explanatory that they want it on as many users' machines as possible, hence they push it every way they see fit, even when they pretend that they're not. If that is accomplished at the expense of their customers that don't use the client, with whatever implications that may have, it's a cost they've factored into this endeavour, and expect to recover.
Every change to the site was made with the use of the client in the centre of their decision making process. You may call this a conspiracy, but looking at the timeline of events as they've unfolded, it's just acknowledging reality, imo.
Fact remains that we have no notifications, and no idea when they'll be made available again, while GOG Galaxy users do for the simple reason that, based on comments here, the new nav system has not been pushed to the client. The notifications function is still here (Barefoot_Monkey restored it for BE users in a day, i.e. it can't have been
that demanding in terms of manhours), yet GOG told those customers of theirs that don't use the client that they're not worth a couple/few hours of work for a temp workaround, and was done with the matter. Whether this is out of incompetence, malice, something else or a combo of these is not particularly relevant when looking at the end result from the user PoV; it's still disrespectful and condescending, and not mere inconvenience. If you're ok with this, that makes only one of us.
Regarding your comment on the bundling of the client in the standalone installers, and their final decision, I've already said what I think of the situation in the relevant thread, which contains a plethora of valid comments, so won't repeat it here. But I find it interesting that you're downplaying, if not completely ignoring, what practices opt-out as default are associated with, how strongly people (not just GOG users) feel about them, and why that (can) change(s) people's perception of GOG. It's quite more interesting when one looks at the arguments used by GOG to justify their decision.
Gersen: [...] No that was my point; it wouldn't be a DRM. [...]
Reading your arguments, and everything you seem to deem as acceptable and applicable, or not for that matter, I can see why you think this way. I already said that it does not have to fit with the known forms, and considered as such, of management of one's digital rights over their purchase, but since you don't seem willing to consider this, we have to agree to disagree.
On an additional note, and judging by comments, even in this very thread, having it installed may well have a negative impact on one's gaming experience, i.e. not simply affecting just the download.
Anyway, I'm not sure there's much, if any, point in continuing this debate; you are free to reply, of course, but I think we've both said what we had to say to present our PoV.
MarkoH01: [...] At the moment I have the feeling GOG feedback is as much help as GOG support. Both are lacking extremely.
No recent personal experience with GOG Support, but I can't/won't argue with you after reading
this thread,and GOG's
response; not sure which is more worrisome - that the issues of Gwent players seem to take precedence over customers missing their purchased games, or that GOG still thinks it's ok to come out with their buddy-buddy approach and use the situation around Gwent as a valid excuse, i.e. appeal to users' good will, and elicit understanding/sympathy.
Probably not what you meant with your comment, but the déjà vu I got there was a tad too strong to ignore it, especially given all the recent events and developments.
