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Just to see the actual ratios, I ran a quick analysis on the setups we've had since I started watching GOG Mafia.

T = Town
M = Mafia
SK = Serial Killer
Other = Typically some other faction; special circumstances
TvM = Town versus Mafia

Starting from game 25 (Tres Leches), and working mostly off memory (I quick checked some of them to verify):

T + M + M + neutrals

T + M + Neutral Survivor/SK.

TvM

T + M + Neutral Survivor/SK.

T + M + Neutral Survivor + SK.

T + M + others

TvM

4x Mafia

TvM

TvM

Pseudo Free-for-all; T, M, M, Other

TvM

T + SK

T + M + SK

Bastard game; T + SK + SK + Neutral

TvM + Cult

TvM

T + Cult

TvM

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Conclusion: Without carefully counting, it appears that a GOG game has ~66% chance to have something other than just Town versus Mafia. And several of those TvM were marked specifically as "Town versus Mafia" in the OP.
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Bookwyrm627: ...
you (and others) are free to link other mafia games that may be considered relevant usage in this game (as has been being done)
Post edited September 12, 2016 by drealmer7
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Dessimu: Anyone missing?
Quad and me.
Missed Bookwyrm. In short: leans town and if is town, then I like his mason thing. Played as mafia buddies once - don't see the scum details that were present back then.

I know this feels not much entirely and only shows how I feel about who. But this will have to suffice until I am physically able to produce more.

Goodnight
Interesting post from Dess. Thanks for doing it. Want to mull it a bit.

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Bookwyrm627: Also, there's an interesting implication in your statement: if they work well together, they are likely the same alignment. My mind provided this expansion: If they know they are the same alignment, then logic indicates they are likely to be wolves. What do you think of this implication?
Because I also think you might be town I'm going to step in where I otherwise probably shouldn't. I think you're being waaay too literal here and at risk of getting into another verbiage/techni-fight like with Nacho earlier.

Will leave it at that in case you actually have a play here. But I see this playing out in a fashion more distracting than productive.

But then, you probably do know something I don't, so...IDK.
Was waiting just to say I don't remember a single post of QuadrAlien, just remember that he did post something and at the time I did not like it. Neutral scum. Worthy of vote. Must be read. I might be wrong.

Can someone slap me in the face to wake up a bit?
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Dessimu: Can someone slap me in the face to wake up a bit?
I'm no sadist.

Can tickle you if you like.
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DragonSushi: What exactly do you mean by the casting a net comment? That makes it sound like you believe there to be mulittle teams to cast a net for. Like if he's a villaget he's casting for wolves obviously. If he's a wolf... why would his casting a net be for anything good? This implies an assumption of more than just one village and one wolf team. Is that so usual here you'd assume it or what?
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Bookwyrm627: By casting a net, I mean he is being active. Active players can make mistakes, and we want wolves to be making mistakes. An active wolf will be searching for reasons to lynch townies or protect wolves. If I'm choosing between two players that ping neutral (or undecided), and one is significantly more active, then I'm more inclined to help lynch the less active player.

We've had multiple scum teams from time to time. It isn't so frequent that it gets assumed from the outset, but it isn't something to dismiss out of hand either.

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DragonSushi: Also Tammy and Nacho are kind of known for working well together if they're the same alignment
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Bookwyrm627: I wouldn't know; my experience with both of them is limited to this game.

Also, there's an interesting implication in your statement: if they work well together, they are likely the same alignment. My mind provided this expansion: If they know they are the same alignment, then logic indicates they are likely to be wolves. What do you think of this implication?

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bler144: I don't expect to burn-out. Slightly curious if you're fishing here.
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Bookwyrm627: No. It was a straight up comment about how you get really into a game, and perhaps a subtle request to manage your energy so you don't burn out by late game (assuming you survive that long). As near as I can tell, I'm actually on your team this time around.

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bler144: As for your vote on cristi I thought it intriguing (being the one other person on said wagon), but there really wasn't much to specifically ask about it, and it didn't linger long in any case. You have to actually leave your bait in longer than that and maybe move it around a bit if you want a girl to respond.
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Bookwyrm627: Something else came up, or I'd have left it longer.
Okay. Not fully satisfied concerning the way you talked about casting a net, it really struck me like how someone would talk with multiple scum teams. Irrelevant though unless there's evidence of such.

The comment on Tammy and Nacho was to inform since I have played with them before
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bler144: Can tickle you if you like.
Marie, you're breaking my heart :`(


Im here, but this will be a rush job. :(

Will cut the tangents and I have read it all, this is reply to direct stuff or anything super noteworthy. Anyone that feels left out please ping.

Have a goodnight, and FYI I will try to not open the forum in the morning... who am I kidding though...

1 - the Nacho | Wyrm tiff - too much smoke, but no real flame. I really have to reread both these jokers...

2 - Agent out | Warehall in - heh

then 3 bigger topics

3 - Ix's meta - dear lord, now I remember that scum gambit of his. Agreed smooth is not his thing, hit and run is his style. Suspect we're headed to a Ix trial, and like with Drealmer previous game I am tempted to stick my neck out and defend the poential derp. I want to know his flavor though.

Emma - who and what are you for crying out loud?

4 - The No Lynch quagmire
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DragonSushi: was [Brasas] seriously suggesting no lynch? ... What would you have hoped for from the [reactions]?
part 1 - to be fair, I told Bler it was a half truth, which does mean there was some truth to it. If you don't see the ludonarrative dissonance then I don't know what to tell you. That said I am now on board with lynching for flips. I don't think I'm that soft that I'll remain uncommited. But I'd rather see solid cases before we go to trial.
part 2 - dear Sushi, obviously I'm not counting on scum slips, though it would be nice to see. It's hard to describe anything specific I'm looking for, both the setup and alignments should become clearer as we go, and then some of the reactions might be revealing. Also I can make scum crack, or at least I sure enjoy trying.

5 - Bler | Marie
part 1 - you're playing with fire, but I like seeing it. You're saying some fishy things, and I particularly find your interactions with Wyrm noteworthy. I am, perhaps naively, reading you as town because I believe you would crack as scum. In which regards, be honest here. Did you somehow get a scum level up from all the MU reading?
Someone needs to pay attention to you...
part 2 - the thing is, I really like fire, so it won't be me... or not like that, because otherwise I've only got eyes for you. You're so mesmerising. But before we tie the knot I'd like to confirm your age. New England 17th century being what it is... then I say we go for it, and make Drealmer Google some Harlequin prose to describe our passion. In the meanwhile there's some hay in my stable if you wanna sample the goods. I'm all for experimentation before the sacrament. Especially since I doubt Emma is the village priest.

Dan - the horses guy
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Dessimu: Typing feast #2.

Note that I have no computer around here, now, so I wish and can't go through all of the posts of a few individuals (Nachomamma, Tammy, Bookwyrm, Lifthrasil and Lxamyakxim) and make better insights. Well, technically I can, but that would be pain in the fingers.

...

• SirCrimsonFox has made more flavor related jokes than comments on issues at hand. That is what "cahoots" meant in this case. As in flavor-like cahoots what with all the animals in the hats. Bookwyrm made a case which sounds about right. So all I can say now - suspected.

• DragonSushi is apparently able in giving content. There is little of it and partly understandable but without any explanations or indications as to why exactly, that just seems like staying shut on purpose. Suspected.

• Stanari - had same problem as above. Lack of content to work on. Could be either mafia or town, though because of a few lines leans more towny than scum. Neutral.

• Nachomamma is like me in my first game and Bler now combined. Acts in towny way, but I put as neutral almost just because of the entrance. I need to reread him.

• Tammy looks towny. It even rhymes! Reminds me of how cristigale plays.

• Cristigale always looks towny. At least for me. I think there are a few certain things she does when being mafia, but I won't tell those and I don't see them either. She makes strong insights on her own for her own. So, towny.

• Bler I like. As a sort of a compliment, I especially like how he described yogsloth and RWarehall. Feels right and amusing. As scum he really plays more chaotic. Now he is honestly involved and knows what he is doing. Town, most certainly. But should not be followed blindly.

• Trentonlf is always saint. Even when he is mafia. I expected him to be more talkative now, but there is not much to talk about, other than smart assumptions of people. I feel like trentonlf is now observing people and is being on his guard against the new players. But this I know: Day 2 and further on he will sniff out any scum slip (as town) and lock onto it. Still, being more silent than usual - neutral for now.

• Brasas is one strong persona. He plays very strong as town, don't know his scum play. Seems to be poking players and not without a reason. We played together resistance game here and Brasas guessed correctly almost all scum team very early on. So what I learned is this - his early suspects should be looked very closely at. Looks towny.

• Docbear leans town more than scum but only based on my gut feeling. I played a few games with her (her, right?) and I feel like as mafia, she would give lead to buddies and follow them. Now she plays her own game. Neutral as of now.

• Lxamyakxim I have also at the neutral camp. Need to reread him, I don't remember all posts. But with vote on no-lynch, I have no problem with. Mainly because we all considered it one way or another by pointing out dead girl-lynch villagers nonsense.

• Lifthrasil I have always suspected in general. I mean, every time I am town and Lift is in the game, I treat him as mafia from beginning until proven otherwise. This time is no exception. Nothing solid, so neutral. Needs to be reread.

• Yogsloth I would expect to roleplay more. He is too calm this time around but hey - can't be a madman all the time. Plus, he probably is exhausted from MU games. I only know he needs to be observed from all angles at all times. Neutral.

Anyone missing?

• Agentcarr, good luck. In general, falls somewhere between neutral ans scummy because of nearly no reflection on the content and that little that has been made - chosen in a very peculiar way.

• RWarehall, welcome to the game. Nothing to base opinion on, so that's that.

Really, anyone else left not mentioned?

Anyone at all?

Me?

I am still waiting for that silver and you all seem to be uninterested in giving me work.

Of the few suspected:

Vote: SirCrimsonFox
No lynch is a waste of time.

...

Going to sleep now. If I had computer with all the nice addons, I would go through all posts of the select few and make insights with quotes. To do so now - too much of a pain.

As per request to sign our stuff:

Nathaniel (Nathan) Smith - village smith in my name and profession.
Explain what you mean that I'm not giving explanations or indications as to why. Complain that I haven't done enough, sure. That I'm not saying why I think things doesn't seem accurate.




Also in regards to the thing that I forgot to respond to from the other guy about Tammy and Nacho being same alignment. They usually figure each other out fast. And I was saying what they typically do, which is seem to work well together. It's barely started today and they are usually decently confident in their reads on each other, sometimes to their detriment when they're wrong. Or at least once that I've seen
Going to try to hack through a general catch-up post:

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TammyTown: Does [bler] when scum have a tendency to post a lot without contributing and so you went back to check if his receiving town reads was naive?
Not to me, but bler as scum is a better player than he’d perhaps like you to think. But he’s… tense. I’m not seeing that here.

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Nachomamma8: My expectation for the game is that we are supposed to know that no-lynching is something that we are supposed to do, then there would be some sort of hint that flavor meant something; "let's no lynch because the flavor hasn't given us a reason to yet"
I’m going to try and get back to this, but… as nuts as it sounds… I might actually start thinking that no-lynch IS what we’re “supposed” to do today. I wouldn’t say that for any other mod but…

[PPE, see next quote, might as well just leave this in though…]

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drealmer7: clarification:

"NO-LYNCH being at L-1" post was meant to TROLL you all (or at least, troll my fellow GOGlins) - I added the "(if L-1 exists)" to remind that it is basically stated in the rules that there is no L-1 because there is no real hammering - at least I thought that much was clear and so I thought the joke would be clear - so I want to make that much clear now
Well. Nevermind.

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bler144: Not sure what to make of it. But two players seem to be very deliberately teasing the same thing, one slightly more than the other but pretty hard to miss. Spotted a thread of the pattern thinking it might be accidental/coincidence and looked back and looked closer and ...wow.
Watchoo talkin bout Willis.

Btw, I also got a little piece of flavor update, but it was pretty much nothing interesting.

Who wants to crack open those stills my shiftless brother has out in the woods and see what’s in ‘em?

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bler144: Side note, but I was really surprised no one corrected/clarified/expanded on my "GoG player summaries." Surely I didn't cover everything of relevance and/or nothing I said couldn't have an alternate POV?
I thought you were pretty spot on, give or take, so I let it stand.



That’s about it. Mostly bler and some MUers breathing all the air in the room.

I don’t know what’s going on. I still have the general sense that some kind of flavor bomb is going to come along that will make sense of everything, but it hasn’t happened yet. Since drealmer was trolling us with that “no lynch” stuff… I guess we just proceed like normal.

Unvote Stanari

I gotta think about it.
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Dessimu: • Trentonlf is always saint. Even when he is mafia. I expected him to be more talkative now, but there is not much to talk about, other than smart assumptions of people. I feel like trentonlf is now observing people and is being on his guard against the new players. But this I know: Day 2 and further on he will sniff out any scum slip (as town) and lock onto it. Still, being more silent than usual - neutral for now.
Forgot I had that tab open for hours while I was replying and POOF there were lots more posts I missed.

This one above reminds me about trent, though. Lots of players I expect to hang back or give little to work with on Day 1, but not trent. Dessimu is bang-on here - trent should be yelling at somebody at this point. Usually me, but I haven't been as much of a git this time... but still SOMEBODY should be getting it. He's WAY close to the vest. Just using his pet "everybody should vote" argument. It would be like if all I were talking about were STU (STF?) and nothing else.

Vote trentonlf

BWAH HA

You see, I AM THE GREAT ZORRO AFTER ALL!!!

-Eric Barton (So Nacho knows who I am)
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Brasas: 5 - Bler | Marie
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Interesting - was more non-committal than I was hoping but think I can work with that response for now. Still, wanted to see more of a spark.

Want to say this came up earlier, but my PM notes my age is "in my 20s" and I made the determination I was 22 mostly just to quote Paul Simon as a joke in response to someone's question (doc?). A bit sad I've gotten away from the quoting. Must...renew...effort.

Moved to town 5ish years ago with Howard, who died 3 years ago. IIRC my demographic history, women married much earlier back then, so marriage at 15, move at 17, etc. is at least realistic.

Correcting someone's summary, the strawberries were hoped for but abandoned. I have the herb/tea garden, and I collect eggs and meat from the chickens that free-range the woods around my house and barn. Thus my curiosity about yogs' mention of chickens.

His response seems a little discordant with my PM, but I'm hesitant to read too much into what is probably just flavor, and someone having their own flock in a town of 50+ was not beyond the realm of possibility in reality.

Full disclosure, I'd read an early draft of the the basic story (not design or characters, just setting and background) for this game. Why drealmer (who lives in the NJ/PA area) set it in Maine, I can't say for sure, but let's just say we discussed certain details that were impossible (like a Maine name having an 'x' in it) and he fixed some, but I'm not judging this game expecting full consistency much less historical accuracy in the story details.

Though I'm not beyond making the occasional poke at things that are way off, like with Dess' claim of his PM which is also basically impossible, but suspect it's just a consequence of someone not from New England imagining Maine colonial history the way he'd like.

Don't really mean that as a slam/criticism - if he takes a second stab at this model of game, I'd like to see him set it closer to home (NJ devil theme! Do it!) where the local history and stories he knows more implicitly can inform his narrative choices. Or in any case, at least the odd notes won't bother my New England sensibilities. ;)


It's a pretty bad place outside this door. I could go out there but I don't see what for.
I'm happy living in the dark, on the edge of my mind. And it's nobody else's business.

But now I have Brasas to keep me company someday! Maybe.
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Dessimu: • Lifthrasil I have always suspected in general. I mean, every time I am town and Lift is in the game, I treat him as mafia from beginning until proven otherwise.
Yes. I have noticed. You even suspect me, when I am the Mod! ;-) I have the same problem with flubb. I always read him as scummy. Even now, when he isn't even in the game!

But I do agree with you on trent: he always appears to me as town. Now again, he seems firmly en-trent-ched in the town camp. But if that observation means anything I don't know. And I also agree on yog being different from other times. Less ... Yoggy. Did he mature during the tournament? Or is he scum, holding back?

Ixamyakxim's contribution is still too low to be really readable. Stays lurky-to-scummy for me. And I really would like a in-character response to my in-character question (which will not influence the read in any way, but still would enrich the game). Therefore I am going to repeat it:


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In Character:

Emma! You still haven't responded. What did you do the last two weeks? Where were you when Julie was killed? And why didn't you come when we gave the signal to gather everyone?
btw I'm not giving enough credit to Brasas and Dessimu. Great reading both guys. Sorry again I'm sort of hit-and-running here.