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richlind33: ...
Murray also made many statements implying that NMS would be a lot more than just your typical space simulation, and didn't stop until just before the launch.
Yes but there was no visual proof of these implied statements, that they were nothing more than something the developers wanted to or hoped to include in the game. The only things the video footage showed was single-player exploration, crafting, space-faring and some combat.

Many developers talk about the things they hope to implement in their game prior to release, as they are developing the game, but sometimes it just doesn't manifest in the final product. This happens all the time; things get scrapped in the last minute, sometimes the "implied content" eventually gets released as DLCs, updates or expansions.

Implications are just uncertainties, and we shouldn't base our purchasing decisions on something that wasn't actually promised. Unless the developer explicitly states in writing that something will be in the game we shouldn't assume anything else.

This is of-course open to subjectivity, but I do think NMS is different enough from your typical space simulation game. The inclusion of crafting and focus on exploration sets it apart from games like Elite Dangerous and the X-series. What it does have in common with these games is that it naturally feels rather grindy, a hallmark of simulation games.
Post edited October 06, 2016 by Ricky_Bobby
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Darvond: Now the question is, with Hello Games having become something of Goodbye Games
What does that mean? Is the publisher about to go bankrupt?

If that happens, yeah I guess GOG (and other stores) will stop selling it as there is no publisher for the game. Or whoever creditor gets the IP rights then. Have other stores already stopped selling the game already, by the way?

I'm with a wait and see attitude with the game. I hadn't heard any of the hype before the release (in fact I even thought it is some kind of walking simulator, not a game where you fly in the space), but to me it seemed the game may have potential. I'll wait if it will get fixes and the price come down somewhat, and then decide whether to try it out.

Hey, let's not forget what kind of buggy messes Fallout 2, Daggerfall, or about any Microprose game, were on release (and pretty much also after the latest official patches, it took fan made patches to really fix the games). Yet nowadays we warmly think of those games as true classics well ahead of their time. I had nightmares after reading some gaming magazine review of Daggerfall on release, it basically said the game has grand scope but it is virtually unplayable in its current state. Sounds familiar?
Post edited October 06, 2016 by timppu
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Darvond: Now the question is, with Hello Games having become something of Goodbye Games
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timppu: What does that mean? Is the publisher about to go bankrupt?

If that happens, yeah I guess GOG (and other stores) will stop selling it as there is no publisher for the game. Or whoever creditor gets the IP rights then. Have other stores already stopped selling the game already, by the way?

I'm with a wait and see attitude with the game. I hadn't heard any of the hype before the release (in fact I even thought it is some kind of walking simulator, not a game where you fly in the space), but to me it seemed the game may have potential. I'll wait if it will get fixes and the price come down somewhat, and then decide whether to try it out.

Hey, let's not forget what kind of buggy messes Fallout 2, Daggerfall, or about any Microprose game, were on release (and pretty much also after the latest official patches, it took fan made patches to really fix the games). Yet nowadays we warmly think of those games as true classics well ahead of their time. I had nightmares after reading some gaming magazine review of Daggerfall on release, it basically said the game has grand scope but it is virtually unplayable in its current state. Sounds familiar?
I think it's partly publish by Sony? So I doubt an option of it having no publisher at all.
I don't think Fallout 2 or Daggerfall are good comparisons - these were complete games with atrocious bugs to the point of game breaking (but they did work on High End systems properly? don't recall), while NMS is still... a shell of a game.
It might have a great premise, and it's quite possible features made behind the scenes (and ditched for now) might make it wonderful as it was "supposed to be", but there's more lacking then actual scope. And then there are even more atrocious bugs.

http://www.pcgamer.com/no-mans-sky-alternative/
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Darvond: why is GOG still selling this title? Other games have been pulled over far less.
Because there are no big bugs that will prevent people from playing it and some people seem to enjoy the game.

Why should GOG stop selling a game that people want to buy?

(For me it is to expensive, but for others it may be the right game.)
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Arghmage: Because there are no big bugs that will prevent people from playing it and some people seem to enjoy the game.
I think it's subjective for who is enjoying the game. The babysitting nature bad UI and some large bugs I would think make the game annoying. Angry Joe covers the game quite extensively, including crashes losing 10 hours of playtime, large mines of material just disappearing as you approach, false advertising, to name only a few of the many problems.

Games are sorta expected to have bugs. There's a bug in every 10 lines of code (or so it's said), but some games fare better, either from modding support or the game being more open, or that the company is pushing everything it can to be as transparent and helpful as possible. With as shoddy as the launch and after-game results are, I personally don't see why the game is still on sale.
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rtcvb32: I think it's subjective for who is enjoying the game

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With as shoddy as the launch and after-game results are, I personally don't see why the game is still on sale.
Belief me, there may be people out there that still enjoy the game. Endless cruising and grinding may appeal to some people that also don't mind losing progress from time to time.

The taste of different people is different. As an example I couldn't understand the idea behind "Goat Simulator". Still people enjoy it.

But at the end of the day - No Man's Sky - is a completely different game that it was advertised in the trailer/game pitches.
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BlackThorny: I don't think Fallout 2 or Daggerfall are good comparisons - these were complete games with atrocious bugs to the point of game breaking (but they did work on High End systems properly? don't recall), while NMS is still... a shell of a game.
I believe Daggerfall was originally pretty much unplayable, crashing a lot, breaking the game so that you couldn't hope to finish it ever etc. etc. Not sure if there is any complete list of bugs that existed in the very first version of the game, but maybe this gives some picture (listing also bugs that happen also in the latest versions, probably even fan patched versions):

http://www.uesp.net/dagger/dagbug.shtml

[url=https://tcrf.net/Bugs:The_Elder_Scrolls_II:_Daggerfall]https://tcrf.net/Bugs:The_Elder_Scrolls_II:_Daggerfall[/url]

I have only played the fully fan patched "DaggerfallSetup" version of the game, even that seems quite buggy. I've e.g. dropped through the floor to an empty space especially on big stairs, so if I need to go up such stairs, I often have to use a levitate spell in order to get up damn stairs. :) Also the "super big jump if you run up stairs and jump" happens a lot, but that is kinda funny.

Anyway, if NMS' real problem is lack of content, ie. there is no game to be played in there, that is of course a problem, and possibly harder to fix. I thought people were mainly complaining about bugs, and that he promised lots of features which didn't come to the released game (like multiplayer).
Btw, are the devs going to add more content to this poor game? (not in paid DLC)
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timppu: What does that mean? Is the publisher about to go bankrupt?
Unlikely. According to Steamspy, No Man's Sky may have raked in over $42 million on PC alone, and that's probably low-balling it.

That said, besides the very few performance patches it got we've yet to hear or see from HG to actually add any content to the game as they said prior to release. Take that any way you will. *shrug*
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Tauto: Has to do with,Money,money,money it's so funny it's a rich man's world.
*must be funny

I'm kind of sad about this whole thing. I hadn't heard too much about it before release, so hadn't heard about all the crazy (and non-existent) features, as such I'm actually still interested in the game just as it is. Maybe I'll get it in a sale for 5 bucks in a couple years.
Post edited October 06, 2016 by Leonard03
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Tauto: Has to do with,Money,money,money it's so funny it's a rich man's world.
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Leonard03: *must be funny

I'm kind of sad about this whole thing. I hadn't heard too much about it before release, so hadn't heard about all the crazy (and non-existent) features, as such I'm actually still interested in the game just as it is. Maybe I'll get it in a sale for 5 bucks in a couple years.
There are missing features that were promised but in my opinion the hype did not have anything to do with the promises. I was annoyed when I heard about the hype because I couldn't find any reliable info on the game, so I looked for official statements and if they weren't vague they suggested a bland game. There were no official statements that should have resulted in hype, imo, the only notable thing was the promised size of the universe, which obviously does not result in an enjoyable game.
I think people wanted to hype the game and scammed themselves in a way. ;) That is not to say that I am fine with how vague the dev Murray was about his game. I thought that he was misleading people because he did not state clearly enough what the game was about and what would not be possible.
Still, I was able to tell what the game would actually be like in about an hour or a little longer. The people who fell for the supposed hype are very much at fault themselves.
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timppu: I believe Daggerfall was originally pretty much unplayable, crashing a lot, breaking the game so that you couldn't hope to finish it ever etc. etc. Not sure if there is any complete list of bugs that existed in the very first version of the game, but maybe this gives some picture (listing also bugs that happen also in the latest versions, probably even fan patched versions):

http://www.uesp.net/dagger/dagbug.shtml

[url=https://tcrf.net/Bugs:The_Elder_Scrolls_II:_Daggerfall]https://tcrf.net/Bugs:The_Elder_Scrolls_II:_Daggerfall[/url]

I have only played the fully fan patched "DaggerfallSetup" version of the game, even that seems quite buggy. I've e.g. dropped through the floor to an empty space especially on big stairs, so if I need to go up such stairs, I often have to use a levitate spell in order to get up damn stairs. :) Also the "super big jump if you run up stairs and jump" happens a lot, but that is kinda funny.
Even with all the fixes, the quests were so broken for me, the text was sometimes broken and names were wrong. Apart from that, Daggerfall has performance issues in forts and so on.
Post edited October 06, 2016 by 0Grapher
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enigmaxg2: Damn! everything around this game is messed up: bad pc support, no updates, no communication, misleading/false advertisement (it's being investigated by the ASA btw) and now a civil war on reddit.

I'm just amazed how much a FOTY can do.
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Darvond: And soon, probably a civil suit.
This is funny and sad at the same time.
And it's mainly because many people used that mess of a game and lauch and scale it to profit from it. As youtubers and media do. As I don't remember any civil suits for other messed up, unsupported, misleading recent AAA games such as watch dog, assassin's creed unity or batman arkham night, just to name a few.
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phaolo: Btw, are the devs going to add more content to this poor game? (not in paid DLC)
Nope. Only Paid DLC announced. Although they probably already backtracked on that one and will just let it rot.
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zeogold: I don't know anything about this game, I'm just here to post this:
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zeogold:
Lol! Awesome!
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zeogold: I don't know anything about this game, I'm just here to post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y95OX5R4Fjs
I love that derpy track lol.
(heard before in this Besiege video and first here)
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phaolo: Btw, are the devs going to add more content to this poor game? (not in paid DLC)
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WBGhiro: Nope. Only Paid DLC announced. Although they probably already backtracked on that one and will just let it rot.
-_-'
Post edited October 06, 2016 by phaolo