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General discussion[NEWS] Blizzard officially announced Diablo II: Resurrected(130 posts)(130 posts)
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Posted February 20, 2021
Oh wait, so this isn't a remaster at all, looks like a complete remake in 3D. Seriously Blizz?! I just wanted to play Diablo 2, the exact same game, but in widescreen and perhaps with new scaled interface.
Posted February 20, 2021
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mqstout: I'd probably buy it if it were to come out DRM-free, but... D2's gameplay doesn't hold up at all. Too many dead skills, the skill synergy system, horribly repetitive grind to get even to moderate levels or acceptable gear, online-only quests... runes in general, but especially runewords, immunities, reasons to NOT progress the story, obscenely limited storage, tons of side-areas basically devoid of reason to go there because the terrible loot drop mechanics made things only drop from certain places/monsters (instead of a far more enjoyable "play anywhere" global loot system). Limited, hard-to-get respec, causing you not to spend your level up points until quite late for many builds...

It's filled with tons of non-good design choices. It had some good things, and it was honestly fun to play up until level 40 or 50, the first difficulty, maybe a little bit into the second. But the joy quickly ended by then.
This. The truth of the matter is, Diablo 2 is extremely single player unfriendly. Abysmal drop rates balanced for trading (look at the Zod rune drop rate for example), omnipresent monster immunities on harder difficulties (You went a lightning build? Well, you can't touch a third of the monsters on the hardest difficulty. Too bad you don't have a friend with a different element...), online play exclusive content (items, runewords, endgame events etc.), idiotic experience penalty past level 70 to pad playtime (which if you remove with mods, you end the last difficulty at around level 95 and makes for a perfect ending) and more.

Honestly, my interest in this depends entirely on what they're gonna do with mod support (to make the game enjoyable in single player). I really feel like they have this twisted image that 95% of the players played multiplayer only (Which was all just about rushing past everything ASAP. I spent exactly 2 hours online before I got bored and then returned to single player only). If they ruin mod support, I'm sticking with the original and PlugY (which lets me choose which patch version I want to play).

Also one more thing, I liked the game more without Lord of Destruction. Runewords were an absolutely terrible addition that changed the game from finding awesome unique and set items into farming grey socketable trash with the lowest requirements to jam your runes into...

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Breja: Honestly, all the news from Blizzcon sound like that joke from Onion "we're running out of past to strip-mine". Remaster of Diablo 2, rehash of Burning Crusade, repackaged old "arcade" games and even the trailer for the new WoW mini expansion looks like they're rehashing Arthas.
Blizzard has been doing nothing but reselling nostalgia for a few years now. It died creatively a long time ago. Now they are just milking what they can for the least amount of effort.
Post edited February 20, 2021 by idbeholdME
Posted February 20, 2021
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timppu: Ok so you are talking about the Remastered version with high res graphics? I was talking about the "original" version that they offered for free for some time.
I was talking about the original (legacy) version which was later re-released as part of Remastered version. If you see in my screen there is also an option to purchase Remastered edition.
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Post edited February 20, 2021 by Cadaver747
Posted February 20, 2021
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idbeholdME: This. The truth of the matter is, Diablo 2 is extremely single player unfriendly.
For me the only part of Diablo 2 that's truly fun in single player and really looks and feels like it belongs with the first Diablo is the first Act.
Posted February 20, 2021
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idbeholdME: This. The truth of the matter is, Diablo 2 is extremely single player unfriendly.
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Breja: For me the only part of Diablo 2 that's truly fun in single player and really looks and feels like it belongs with the first Diablo is the first Act.
I can see that. I enjoyed a playthrough on Normal with every character, but only brought the few of them I enjoyed the gameplay of into the Hell difficulty.
Posted February 20, 2021
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Crosmando: Oh wait, so this isn't a remaster at all, looks like a complete remake in 3D. Seriously Blizz?! I just wanted to play Diablo 2, the exact same game, but in widescreen and perhaps with new scaled interface.
Well there is the option to restore the old graphics

And the classic game will not get replaced.
Posted February 20, 2021
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Swedrami: From the about an-hour-long panel discussion of the remaster:
"Now, we do still allow you to play offline, right? You will need to authenticate that your copy is legit, but after that you won't be bothered."

Now that would be acceptable if that really was just an actual one-time check, like during the purchase or when downloading the installation package from B.net, but Blizzard being Blizzard they VERY likely meant that you will be required to connect to B.net and authenticate the legitimacy of your copy EVERY time you start up the game.
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Elmofongo: This is the problem with tying games to an account.
Will be interesting to see if the "scene" has more success to work around this (as opposed to Diablo 3's permanent online requirement) - if it's really the assumed one-time check-per-session authentification Blizzard is going with, that is.
Posted February 20, 2021
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mqstout: I'd probably buy it if it were to come out DRM-free, but... D2's gameplay doesn't hold up at all. Too many dead skills, the skill synergy system, horribly repetitive grind to get even to moderate levels or acceptable gear, online-only quests... runes in general, but especially runewords, immunities, reasons to NOT progress the story, obscenely limited storage, tons of side-areas basically devoid of reason to go there because the terrible loot drop mechanics made things only drop from certain places/monsters (instead of a far more enjoyable "play anywhere" global loot system). Limited, hard-to-get respec, causing you not to spend your level up points until quite late for many builds...

It's filled with tons of non-good design choices. It had some good things, and it was honestly fun to play up until level 40 or 50, the first difficulty, maybe a little bit into the second. But the joy quickly ended by then.
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idbeholdME: This. The truth of the matter is, Diablo 2 is extremely single player unfriendly. Abysmal drop rates balanced for trading (look at the Zod rune drop rate for example), omnipresent monster immunities on harder difficulties (You went a lightning build? Well, you can't touch a third of the monsters on the hardest difficulty. Too bad you don't have a friend with a different element...), online play exclusive content (items, runewords, endgame events etc.), idiotic experience penalty past level 70 to pad playtime (which if you remove with mods, you end the last difficulty at around level 95 and makes for a perfect ending) and more.

Honestly, my interest in this depends entirely on what they're gonna do with mod support (to make the game enjoyable in single player). I really feel like they have this twisted image that 95% of the players played multiplayer only (Which was all just about rushing past everything ASAP. I spent exactly 2 hours online before I got bored and then returned to single player only). If they ruin mod support, I'm sticking with the original and PlugY (which lets me choose which patch version I want to play).

Also one more thing, I liked the game more without Lord of Destruction. Runewords were an absolutely terrible addition that changed the game from finding awesome unique and set items into farming grey socketable trash with the lowest requirements to jam your runes into...

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Breja: Honestly, all the news from Blizzcon sound like that joke from Onion "we're running out of past to strip-mine". Remaster of Diablo 2, rehash of Burning Crusade, repackaged old "arcade" games and even the trailer for the new WoW mini expansion looks like they're rehashing Arthas.
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idbeholdME: Blizzard has been doing nothing but reselling nostalgia for a few years now. It died creatively a long time ago. Now they are just milking what they can for the least amount of effort.
Overwatch is not creative enough?
Posted February 20, 2021
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Elmofongo: Overwatch is not creative enough?
Yes, that was the last original thing they did, the open beta of which had been in 2015. 5 years is a pretty long time.

And if you mean Overwatch 2, there's not much new there.
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Swedrami: If they plan to replace the OG Diablo II + LoD with this (like they did with Warcraft III: Reforged replacing original Warcraft III) - could be a good opportunity for GoG to again ask and offer to sell (and thus also preserve) the Legacy version for them.
They've confirmed in today's Q&A that Resurrected will stay separate and the original Diablo 2 will remain.
Post edited February 20, 2021 by idbeholdME
Posted February 20, 2021
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Crosmando: Oh wait, so this isn't a remaster at all, looks like a complete remake in 3D. Seriously Blizz?! I just wanted to play Diablo 2, the exact same game, but in widescreen and perhaps with new scaled interface.
I ended up buying the base and expansion to D2 a year or 2 ago so from their official site. This is not counting the 2 or 3 retail copies I bought in the past, which are no longer good due to bad discs. Man did those cds get a workout!

After I bought that digital version, I ignored it and downloaded the Plugy version and put in my legit cd key. Virtually unlimited inventory, shared stash, higher resolution...yeah, I'm never going back. With the Plugy version it's also easier to mod a bit.

So, Blizzard got their money for the 3rd or 4th time and I got "a" version that I'm happy with to play offline. =)

Oh and I made 3 seperate backup copies just in case, so I'll never (ever) have to Google this stuff again lol.
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P.S. If you get bored later on, the Hero Editor is pretty nice if you want to spice it up, just saying. :)
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Now if they bring it to GOG DRM free, I'll buy it again...for the 4th or 5th time...and promptly ignore it and continue playing the Plugy version lol. It's really hard to go back once you've been spoiled...sigh.
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Post edited February 20, 2021 by gog2002x
Posted February 20, 2021
oh yeah 50 euro ... fuk that
a sort of original new aaa game costs that much or less

over the top greedy company who can't produce anything good for years
Post edited February 20, 2021 by Orkhepaj
Posted February 21, 2021
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timppu: Ok so you are talking about the Remastered version with high res graphics? I was talking about the "original" version that they offered for free for some time.
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Cadaver747: I was talking about the original (legacy) version which was later re-released as part of Remastered version. If you see in my screen there is also an option to purchase Remastered edition.
Ok then. I guess they changed the legacy version at some point, to add the client/online requirement and that in-game add to buy the remastered version.

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Cadaver747: My game version is 1.23.8.9341 (latest), I know for a fact that original 16-bit colored version could run without Battle.net client and internet connection.
My Release Notes.txt suggests mine is version 1.18.0, so I guess the client requirement was added later then.

EDIT: To be more precise, the main game screen says my version is 1.18.1.1396. I guess I backed up my game at the right time then, before they introduced the HD remaster assets (that will be enabled after a purchase) and the online client requirement.
Post edited February 21, 2021 by timppu
Posted February 21, 2021
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M3troid: 16GB RAM.

To run a game that came out in 2000.

What da faq, Blizzard???
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Fender_178: You do realize this is an HD 3D remaster of D2 so it is going to take quite a bit of horse power to run it vs the original game.
People being surprised to 16gb of ram required for a game amazes me, ram is cheap now days, you can get 32gb for around 130 dollars or less on sale so I find 16gb to be fine for a game of that nature.
Posted February 21, 2021
OP updated in order to add the official website (thanks to Elmofongo) and an interview with the developers.
Posted February 21, 2021
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DreamedArtist: People being surprised to 16gb of ram required for a game amazes me, ram is cheap now days
Many people reason like you and that's why we have unoptimized games (and sometimes programs) that waste more and more unnecessary disk space and RAM. -_-'

Anyway, often the minimum requirements just mean "tested with", so the game could still work with lower spec PCs.
Post edited February 21, 2021 by phaolo
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