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richlind33: That is an illusion. Money *can* help to facilitate human endeavor, but it can also be used to enslave people.

The great deficiency of materialism is that it kills everything that isn't greed-based. It renders everything a commodity, including life itself, and this is why we cannot overcome problems like human trafficking, ultra-extreme economic disparity, or war. People who have power care nothing about human rights because life has no innate value. It's value, like every other commodity, is determined solely on the basis of how much it can be bought or sold for, or it's usefulness. So hobbyists have the exact same value that human subsistence does -- none.
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scientiae: You are both correct; the fault lies not with your emotional perspectives, but with the limitations of our mode of interlocutory rationalization, which can only be ameliorated with judicious metacognition.

Some thoughts for you on human value & the price of a Kant.

Human use symbolic models to moderate their perception of the non-linear universe we live in. Models are generalizations and all generalizations are wrong. A generality is a heuristic that abstracts universal trend and obscures detail; since nothing is universally true there is always a contrary fact to any generalization, so the observation is only good for prima facie determination and not for an absolute reckoning. Fritz Perls established (1951) the concept of Gestalt mindfulness (be alive to every minute in your physical world; don’t live in abstractions).*

Or, to put it another way, it’s like General Rommel’s famous Fingerspitzengefühl ability (his instantaneous battlefield cognizance), rather than a deliberate legal assessment. A coup l’œil where one conceives a reliable snapshot of a given situation, which is what Gladwell (2005) identified as a cognitive “blink”. (This is much of what differs in human cognition from the artificial; we have a chunk of cerebellar wetware that processes perceptions in parallel to determine situational awareness.)

Since no generalization is perfect, the sociological argument against money exposes the frayed edge of commerce. (A fractal boundary between the real universe and virtual creation that exists both within and between human shared (un-) consciousness.)

What I mean is, the human cognitive abstract represented by money does not work in particularly extreme specific cases. As @richlind33 noted, a human life has no monetary equivalent (Kant's moral imperative), yet the commercial scale is flexible enough to easily accommodate any and all additional commodities, should a human be determined by their utility price.

Money is perfectly fungible; it is vastly more useful than a barter system, the main weakness of which is the incommensurable nature of specific items. Because money has no intrinsic value except that which is ascribed to it (i.e., by agreement), it is frangible and can be used as a proxy to exchange goods of indeterminate equivalence; since the price of commodities is based on the agreement between the vendor and the buyer, each arbitrage transaction can be calculated independently and every fair transaction is, ipso facto, acquitted to the mutual agreement (if not total satisfaction) of both parties, and hence determines the incidental fair price.

So money is a singular technological improvement, but it is not a magic wand to convert the complexity of our universe into a neat human preconceived idealized confection.

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*Also, confer Gavin de Becker (trust your intuition, rather than technology, to protect you from violence), Cialdini (know the techniques of psychological influence to avoid becoming their victim), Kahneman (“we can be blind to our blindnesses”, the assumption that WYSIATI “what you see is all there is”), & Mlodinow (the unconscious dictates much of our conscious decision-making).

References:
Fritz Perls (1951), Gestalt Therapy: Excitement & Growth in the Human Personality;
Robert Cialdini (1984), Influence: the Psychology of Persuasion;
Gavin de Becker (1997), The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals that Protect Us from Violence;
Malcolm Gladwell (2005, Blink: the Power of Thinking Without Thinking;
Daniel Kahneman (2011), Thinking Fast & Slow; and
Leonard Mlodinow (2012), Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior, who quotes Dr Carl Jung wrote: “Until you make the unconscious conscious it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”
I'm not arguing against the concept of money, but in the manner that it has been actualized. The primary deficiency of the existing monetary structure is that it has exponentially increased economic disparity to such a degree that it is harming our species in ways that may well be irreversible. Power resides in the hands of psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists, but the vast majority of us are too afraid and/or ignorant to stand together and defend ourselves.
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Crosmando: This module isn't even made by Beamdog fool.
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Cadaver747: Yeah but Beamdog got the publishing rights for the game and DLCs, it's their choice where to release the product not the developer's or even Hasbro.
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Nergal01: Hm. It took Beamdog a few months to release NWN EE here, didn't it? Maybe they're doing the same thing with "Tyrants", that is wait until the "critical" time after the inital release is done. >_>
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Cadaver747: Most likely. First they want to take advantage from "secured" Steam sales and afterwards they release it to "unsecured" DRM-free platform for smaller audience. That's the way they think, at least they are kinda right about smaller audience.
Or in other words: they are thundercunts and don't deserve any money from anybody. So much terrible has happened in the gaming industry, and these are among the worst. Holy mother what an uproar it would have been had it been EA doing this. Suppose people don't expect it from a fairly small company, which may be why people still defend the cunts.

The sooner companies like that leave the gaming industry, the better.
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Cadaver747: Yeah but Beamdog got the publishing rights for the game and DLCs, it's their choice where to release the product not the developer's or even Hasbro.

Most likely. First they want to take advantage from "secured" Steam sales and afterwards they release it to "unsecured" DRM-free platform for smaller audience. That's the way they think, at least they are kinda right about smaller audience.
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Pangaea666: Or in other words: they are thundercunts and don't deserve any money from anybody. So much terrible has happened in the gaming industry, and these are among the worst. Holy mother what an uproar it would have been had it been EA doing this. Suppose people don't expect it from a fairly small company, which may be why people still defend the cunts.

The sooner companies like that leave the gaming industry, the better.
What an uproar it would have been had it been EA doing what, exactly?
Newsflash, EA games tend to not appear on GOG at all, at least the newer ones. I am definitely not happy with GOG release being delayed this much, but this can't be compared to what UbiSoft or EA do. Beamdog releases their games fully DRM-free, even stripping existing DRM from their EEs (NWN premium modules).

Either way, calling others cunts does not make your position stronger, quite the opposite.
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scientiae:
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richlind33: I'm not arguing against the concept of money, but in the manner that it has been actualized. The primary deficiency of the existing monetary structure is that it has exponentially increased economic disparity to such a degree that it is harming our species in ways that may well be irreversible. Power resides in the hands of psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists, but the vast majority of us are too afraid and/or ignorant to stand together and defend ourselves.
Okay.

Apart from die-hard freemarketeers, not many people would disagree with your premise. The difficulty is in fixing it.

(Apologies to Churchill, but it is very apt to say capitalism is the worst system in the world, apart from every other system. :)

The good news is that, over the last century or so, the excesses of the capitalist system have been tamed. There are still monopolies (and other anti-trust phenomena) to be sure, but the more egregious practices have been successfully checked with apt legislation.

So, what would you target to fix the system?
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richlind33: That is an illusion. Money *can* help to facilitate human endeavor, but it can also be used to enslave people.

The great deficiency of materialism is that it kills everything that isn't greed-based. It renders everything a commodity, including life itself, and this is why we cannot overcome problems like human trafficking, ultra-extreme economic disparity, or war. People who have power care nothing about human rights because life has no innate value. It's value, like every other commodity, is determined solely on the basis of how much it can be bought or sold for, or it's usefulness. So hobbyists have the exact same value that human subsistence does -- none.
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scientiae: You are both correct; the fault lies not with your emotional perspectives, but with the limitations of our mode of interlocutory rationalization, which can only be ameliorated with judicious metacognition.

Some thoughts for you on human value & the price of a Kant.

Human use symbolic models to moderate their perception of the non-linear universe we live in. Models are generalizations and all generalizations are wrong. A generality is a heuristic that abstracts universal trend and obscures detail; since nothing is universally true there is always a contrary fact to any generalization, so the observation is only good for prima facie determination and not for an absolute reckoning. Fritz Perls established (1951) the concept of Gestalt mindfulness (be alive to every minute in your physical world; don’t live in abstractions).*

Or, to put it another way, it’s like General Rommel’s famous Fingerspitzengefühl ability (his instantaneous battlefield cognizance), rather than a deliberate legal assessment. A coup l’œil where one conceives a reliable snapshot of a given situation, which is what Gladwell (2005) identified as a cognitive “blink”. (This is much of what differs in human cognition from the artificial; we have a chunk of cerebellar wetware that processes perceptions in parallel to determine situational awareness.)

Since no generalization is perfect, the sociological argument against money exposes the frayed edge of commerce. (A fractal boundary between the real universe and virtual creation that exists both within and between human shared (un-) consciousness.)

What I mean is, the human cognitive abstract represented by money does not work in particularly extreme specific cases. As @richlind33 noted, a human life has no monetary equivalent (Kant's moral imperative), yet the commercial scale is flexible enough to easily accommodate any and all additional commodities, should a human be determined by their utility price.

Money is perfectly fungible; it is vastly more useful than a barter system, the main weakness of which is the incommensurable nature of specific items. Because money has no intrinsic value except that which is ascribed to it (i.e., by agreement), it is frangible and can be used as a proxy to exchange goods of indeterminate equivalence; since the price of commodities is based on the agreement between the vendor and the buyer, each arbitrage transaction can be calculated independently and every fair transaction is, ipso facto, acquitted to the mutual agreement (if not total satisfaction) of both parties, and hence determines the incidental fair price.

So money is a singular technological improvement, but it is not a magic wand to convert the complexity of our universe into a neat human preconceived idealized confection.

________
*Also, confer Gavin de Becker (trust your intuition, rather than technology, to protect you from violence), Cialdini (know the techniques of psychological influence to avoid becoming their victim), Kahneman (“we can be blind to our blindnesses”, the assumption that WYSIATI “what you see is all there is”), & Mlodinow (the unconscious dictates much of our conscious decision-making).

References:
Fritz Perls (1951), Gestalt Therapy: Excitement & Growth in the Human Personality;
Robert Cialdini (1984), Influence: the Psychology of Persuasion;
Gavin de Becker (1997), The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals that Protect Us from Violence;
Malcolm Gladwell (2005, Blink: the Power of Thinking Without Thinking;
Daniel Kahneman (2011), Thinking Fast & Slow; and
Leonard Mlodinow (2012), Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior, who quotes Dr Carl Jung wrote: “Until you make the unconscious conscious it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”
ANd what the hell does this have to do with anything the real world?
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scientiae:
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dudalb: ANd what the hell does this have to do with anything the real world?
Your mind makes it real.
Beamdog hasn't released Tyrants of the Moonsea on GOG or their own site yet. Unless they have a really good reason for it, one could say it's utterly shitty.
It's here now.

https://www.gog.com/game/neverwinter_nights_tyrants_of_the_moonsea
Post edited September 25, 2019 by Nergal01
Thanks.

That would explain the current discount for the Enhanced version of NwN.
I wonder if there is any chance that this comes to the console versions of NWN. Would love to play it on my PS4.

It probably ain't happening, but I am curious why it wasn't brought over as DLC tbh.

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Taro94: The hate is so strong I'm not sure whether to cry or to laugh.

First of all, the module is developed by Ossian, not Beamdog (they are the publisher). Yes, that Ossian that created one of the best NWN modules on the Vault.

Second of all, Luke Scull, the original author of Tyrants of the Moonsea, is part of the team developing this (you can see Ossian listed as his company on his Facebook) and is very proud of this new version.

Third of all, if you take the time to compare the estimated time of completing the original unfinished (this is worth to emphasize) module on the Vault and the new one, you'll find that it's gone up from 6-10h to 20h+, so yes, the 70% increase in content does not look like a ile.

I guess now the Beamdog hate has spread to the previously liked Ossian Studios? Whatever floats your boats. Just stay out of the way of people enjoying a new 20+h-long adventure from the creators of Darkness over Daggerford.
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Alazander: Hi, I'm Luke Scull, aka Alazander in the NWN community.

Thanks for this excellent post. As you mentioned, the playtime has more than doubled. The existing content was also heavily revised. The new Tyrants of the Moonsea is a very different experience from the old, unfinished version released in 2006, which will still be available to download for free on the Vault.

If the module sells well, I'd hope to see more original content for NWN: Enhanced Edition further down the line. It's a wonderful platform for the delivery of new D&D adventures.

Just to refer back to an earlier comment: I've little interest in extreme politics and none in inserting them in to the games and novels I write unless they serve the world-building. My focus when writing is to deliver the best story possible and, if applicable, to fully respect the IP with which I've been entrusted. That does not include changing character personalities or inserting hot-button social issues into settings in which they do not make a great deal of sense. So long as I'm writing for Ossian, this will remain the case.
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Kelefane: https://www.beamdog.com/news/new-premium-module-tyrants-moonsea/

Looks interesting. I wonder if this also means Siege of Shadowdale and Crimson Tides of Tethyr are coming too eventually?
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Alazander: No plans for either at this time. Siege of Shadowdale is an old and rather basic module and not something I would consider worthy of "enhancement" unless it was completely rebuilt. Crimson Tides of Tethyr is closer to meeting the quality bar but features a lot of custom content that would be problematic to license. It's not impossible, but it would require a lot of work for dubious returns.
Post edited January 12, 2023 by FFTHEWINNER