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mechmouse: EA and Ubi.
Blizzard
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mechmouse: EA and Ubi.
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Pheace: Blizzard
Thank you, I thought it was 3 but couldn't think who.

Blizzard was fortunate to already be sitting its own digital distrubution system and mountain of money due to WoW. When they finally produced something other than WoW expansions, it would have been surprising for them not to use their own system.

But these 3 publishers catalogue accounts for less than 10% (guestimate) of the top 100 games of any given year.
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Engerek01: 8< ~~~~~~~
Just don't do Steam or any other corporate crap that has no respect for its clients. Stick with DRM free Gog. :^)
Post edited September 18, 2016 by noncompliantgame
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Engerek01: 8< ~~~~~~~
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noncompliantgame: Just don't do Steam or any other corporate crap that has no respect for its clients. Stick with DRM free Gog. :^)
Who says GOG has respect for its clients?
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noncompliantgame: Just don't do Steam or any other corporate crap that has no respect for its clients. Stick with DRM free Gog. :^)
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darthspudius: Who says GOG has respect for its clients?
I can only speak from personal experience.

But Steam Support takes 2-4 weeks to reply and when they do, they've been unhelpful and unwilling to try to resolve the issue. They'll close cases and ignore you. As I said they don't need to bother with customer support, its not like you can take your custom elsewhere.

GoG reply time of 1-4 days, is on par with my experiences with most PC publishers I've dealt with. So far GoG support has been helpful and resolved most issues (unread message from spammer is still there). That said, at some point I know me and GoG will have to deal with their lack of a Digital Inheritance Policy.

Every company that has to compete for its customers should respect them. VALVe has a captive market, it doesn't have to.
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noncompliantgame: Just don't do Steam or any other corporate crap that has no respect for its clients. Stick with DRM free Gog. :^)
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darthspudius: Who says GOG has respect for its clients?
True ... Relatively speaking.
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sherringon456: Yeah, but you probably wouldn't care about those if it wasn't for the family sharing thing. You probably wouldn't have looked into the other stuff if they didn't do that first. Also, shouldn't you be going after the big publishers rather than Valve? They allow them to have dominance by publishing their game to steam.

Steam is dominant for several reasons by the way. DRM isn't the only reason. Community features, Achievements, In-home streaming, intergrated multiplayer and the Steam cloud are useful things to have for any game. That's why GOG galaxy exists.
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mechmouse: SFS and the way VALVe ignored the its BETA testers was the final straw.

I already had a dislike to VALVe from many years before, when they altered their SSA and code to exclude fair use. But at that time, it wasn't the end of the world because there where still physical discs that didn't need steam.

I've had a Steam account for 13 years.During that time I've amassed 80 games. Because I avoided Steam until it became mandatory, and then I used it only for the games I absolutely wanted. Ive got 260 GoG games in 3 years.

Yes, I "Go after" the publishers. I'm in a nice little spat with Square-ENIX for pulling my games from their store. I email the publishers and devs of every new game I'd like to play.

I emailed TechLand for releasing Dying Light here, and Square-ENIX for releasing Rise of the TombRaider on WinStore.

However VALVe has power and a captive market and the publishers know it. PC gaming is VALVe's party and the only publishers that can make their own rules are the 2 big guys. EA and Ubi.
I honestly don't see a problem with their family sharing policy, in fact you could say (Because it isn't intended for under-13s.) that you are lucky to even have that.

As with the beta testers (I assume Early Access.) they signed up to it, although games that have gone too long in early access or too long without an update should be removed.

As for contacting publishers: It's pointless. Unfortunately, whoever at the company who sees your emails probably puts them immediately in the trash folder. It will take a large number (Probably 10% of their customer base minimum.) to complain about something for them to listen. This is what I don't get about people boycotting things. It's having little to no effect on the organization and is cutting your nose off to spite your face for "principles" IMO. If you want to play something, play it regardless of who made it or what platform it's on.

And why should Square Enix maintain their store? Almost no one probably uses it and it may be more trouble to maintain than it's worth.
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darthspudius: Who says GOG has respect for its clients?
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mechmouse: I can only speak from personal experience.

But Steam Support takes 2-4 weeks to reply and when they do, they've been unhelpful and unwilling to try to resolve the issue. They'll close cases and ignore you. As I said they don't need to bother with customer support, its not like you can take your custom elsewhere.

GoG reply time of 1-4 days, is on par with my experiences with most PC publishers I've dealt with. So far GoG support has been helpful and resolved most issues (unread message from spammer is still there). That said, at some point I know me and GoG will have to deal with their lack of a Digital Inheritance Policy.

Every company that has to compete for its customers should respect them. VALVe has a captive market, it doesn't have to.
I've bad things about GOG's support on this forum. Don't pretend that steam is 100 times worse because you don't like them. They are probably just as bad, if not worse and both are probably understaffed which explains some of their problems.
Post edited September 18, 2016 by sherringon456
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Post edited September 18, 2016 by Fairfox
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Fairfox: As I wrote in another threadie, mah account here on GOGie is borked and I can't 'refresh' it. This means I can't get Game Goodies I (well, somebody else, but SOMEbody) paid for with a certain game, because it requires a refresh.

GOGie are verrr good at first-tiemz replies, but then oft. thar be radio silence. I has now waited a week and a half with no fix or further reply.

Point is, no system is flawless. User experiences be good an' all, but not really thaaat useful.
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sherringon456: I honestly don't see a problem with their family sharing policy, in fact you could say (Because it isn't intended for under-13s.) that you are lucky to even have that.

As with the beta testers (I assume Early Access.) they signed up to it, although games that have gone too long in early access or too long without an update should be removed.
Isn't intended for under 13's? what utter rubbish. You have to be over 14 to agree to the SSA, that's all. Publisher make games for all different age range, there are 100's of games intended for children on Steam.

As for Beta tester, I meant the SFS Beta testers whom the vast majority where opposed to how the system worked and tried desperately to get a proper dialogue with VALVe but where completely ignored.

As for lucky we have SFS. I have massive doubts VALVe ever intended to make a family sharing system. It was an unwanted side effect of getting The SteamMAchines multiuser.

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sherringon456: As for contacting publishers: It's pointless. Unfortunately, whoever at the company who sees your emails probably puts them immediately in the trash folder. It will take a large number (Probably 10% of their customer base minimum.) to complain about something for them to listen. This is what I don't get about people boycotting things. It's having little to no effect on the organization and is cutting your nose off to spite your face for "principles" IMO. If you want to play something, play it regardless of who made it or what platform it's on.
yes it will take a lot of people, but if no-one bothers then the number of people contacting them remains zero.

As for cutting off my nose.

I'm not happy with VALVe's monopoly and how they control PC gaming. I'm not saying you should be, that's entirely your choice. This situation will not change while people support it and its my choice not to support it. I'm not alone in this choice.
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sherringon456: And why should Square Enix maintain their store? Almost no one probably uses it and it may be more trouble to maintain than it's worth.
The same reason VALVe and GoG should maintain their stores. You've paid for a service and the bare minimum they should do is give fair warning when that service was going to be pulled.
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sherringon456: I've bad things about GOG's support on this forum. Don't pretend that steam is 100 times worse because you don't like them. They are probably just as bad, if not worse and both are probably understaffed which explains some of their problems.
I'm not pretending Steam are worse, I'm just stating my experience of their customer support. Which has been appalling.
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sherringon456: I honestly don't see a problem with their family sharing policy, in fact you could say (Because it isn't intended for under-13s.) that you are lucky to even have that.

As with the beta testers (I assume Early Access.) they signed up to it, although games that have gone too long in early access or too long without an update should be removed.
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mechmouse: Isn't intended for under 13's? what utter rubbish. You have to be over 14 to agree to the SSA, that's all. Publisher make games for all different age range, there are 100's of games intended for children on Steam.

As for Beta tester, I meant the SFS Beta testers whom the vast majority where opposed to how the system worked and tried desperately to get a proper dialogue with VALVe but where completely ignored.

As for lucky we have SFS. I have massive doubts VALVe ever intended to make a family sharing system. It was an unwanted side effect of getting The SteamMAchines multiuser.

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sherringon456: As for contacting publishers: It's pointless. Unfortunately, whoever at the company who sees your emails probably puts them immediately in the trash folder. It will take a large number (Probably 10% of their customer base minimum.) to complain about something for them to listen. This is what I don't get about people boycotting things. It's having little to no effect on the organization and is cutting your nose off to spite your face for "principles" IMO. If you want to play something, play it regardless of who made it or what platform it's on.
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mechmouse: yes it will take a lot of people, but if no-one bothers then the number of people contacting them remains zero.

As for cutting off my nose.

I'm not happy with VALVe's monopoly and how they control PC gaming. I'm not saying you should be, that's entirely your choice. This situation will not change while people support it and its my choice not to support it. I'm not alone in this choice.
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sherringon456: And why should Square Enix maintain their store? Almost no one probably uses it and it may be more trouble to maintain than it's worth.
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mechmouse: The same reason VALVe and GoG should maintain their stores. You've paid for a service and the bare minimum they should do is give fair warning when that service was going to be pulled.
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sherringon456: I've bad things about GOG's support on this forum. Don't pretend that steam is 100 times worse because you don't like them. They are probably just as bad, if not worse and both are probably understaffed which explains some of their problems.
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mechmouse: I'm not pretending Steam are worse, I'm just stating my experience of their customer support. Which has been appalling.
On the not intended for under-13s, I wasn't saying that there are no games for them there nor am I saying that children don't use it, it is just in the SSA (Which I saw on reddit was just recently updated to include this.) so family sharing is lucky to exist seeing as children under-13 are going to be the majority of people using it and, as you say it possibly being a side effect of multi-user steam machines.

As for Square-Enix, not giving notice is different and you are rightfully angry at that.

As for support, what I'm saying is that GoG have probably given others (Not you.) a similar level of appaling support you have recieved from Steam. Hopefully this isn't the norm with both platforms.
1, Steam forum are not steam support.
2, You can buy a ROW gift from traders.
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Post edited September 18, 2016 by Fairfox
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bela555: 1, Steam forum are not steam support.
2, You can buy a ROW gift from traders.
I noticed a few people felt the need to say that even tho I clearly stated my experiences with both steam forums and steam support.

I also clearly stated that i dont want an advice on that anymore since i solved my problem an other way. The reason of the conversation was not to seek ways to do what i wanted but to share my experience.

I DONT WANT TO USE STEAM TO GIFT ANYONE ANYMORE.

I hope it will be clear this time. And I hope nobody else will still think that I think forum is same thing as support.
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sherringon456: On the not intended for under-13s, I wasn't saying that there are no games for them there nor am I saying that children don't use it, it is just in the SSA (Which I saw on reddit was just recently updated to include this.) so family sharing is luck Time to look fory to exist seeing as children under-13 are going to be the majority of people using it and, as you say it possibly being a side effect of multi-user steam machines.

As for Square-Enix, not giving notice is different and you are rightfully angry at that.

As for support, what I'm saying is that GoG have probably given others (Not you.) a similar level of appaling support you have recieved from Steam. Hopefully this isn't the norm with both platforms.
Thanks for the update. Not using Steam any more meant I missed this latest SSA. Absolutely redonkulous.