Oh, poppycock. Space Seed, Conscience of the King, Balance of Terror - some of the greatest episodes of the original series and they are very definately not about space exploration.

The new cast (Jean Grey, Cyclops, Storm) were pretty terrible, especially Jean. And Apocalypse is not nearly as manacing as he should be. The whole thing is a huge spectacle that lacks the interesting plot and performances that made Future Past so good. And the freshness of it. There were some really imaginative action sequences there, here we only get huge CGI destruction and Quicksilver repeating his scene from previous movie, only not nearly as well.

But what really killed the movie for me was Michael Fassbender's polish. The whole audience was literalling bursting out laughing. It was impossible not to. What was intended as serious, dramatic scenes was in fact pure comedy for us.

Are you trolling or just don't bother to read what I'm writing?

Both, he does both.

Honestly, I kinda didn't , sorry. Like I said, I've had so many discussion defending the new Trek from orthodox fans I got tired of it, and I didn't pay quite enough attention this time. My bad. Still, that way you can claim almost anything to be about "exploration" of something. And Trek was still always full of stories that were just fun adventures. The Voyage home didn't explore space or cultures or anything unless you really stretch, and it was still Trek and it was still fun. I love Trek at it's most cerebral and poignant, but there is and always has been a huge aspect of fun and adventure to it too. I don't have to choose to like Trek for one or the other- the great thing about Trek is that it is all that and more, and I can love the franchise as a whole.

Ah, we'll be going in circles here, and there is no point in that. If you feel like we must, we might at least not do it here, so that other movies of this year can be discussed here. Beyond has it's own thread (which I already unintentionally neocroed).

Haven't watched a lot of movies this year, Deadpool's pretty much the only one I can think of that I give a pass to. Everything else's been a disappointment or unmitigated shit.

Watched [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Accountant_(2016_film)]Accountant[/url] and loved it! Reminds me of American version of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_(1997_film)]Brother[/url].

Also watched Independence Day 2 and .. its basically dull re-spin to cash on franchise.

Star Trek was (and is) a lot of different things to a lot of different people. It wasn't just about exploration, or action. It questioned social boundaries and expectations, ("Let That Be Your Last Battleground", "Plato's Stepchildren"), explored relationships (Star Trek II-V), and explored moral and ethical dilemmas ("City on the Edge of Forever").

It's presumptuous and unfair to say that Trek is, and can only be, what you say or think it is...and no, people disagreeing with you on what is/isn't "real" Star Trek is neither trolling nor "failing to read what you posted".

You didn't like Sulu being gay? That's fine. You don't like any of the rebooted Star Trek movies? That's fine too. But hating it doesn't make your opinions on Star Trek any more or less valid than the fans out there who do. For the people who do hate it, the Original Series are still there for you to watch and enjoy.


Pretty much this. And of the TNG films, the fan favorite is usually First Contact, which was also an action movie that had nothing to do with exploration. Oddly enough, ST I and V, which were all about exploring the unknown, are usually the most panned of the TOS movies.

Intresting. You say that Trek
But immediately this follows
Care to explain? Because when I was talking about exploration I was talking about the broadest sense of it.
You misunderstood me. I don't like him has been made into gay. In "Magics of Megas Tu" (TAS is canon since 2007, according to wikipedia btw) he is clearly established to prefer women. And now writers made him gay just to pander some audience. And it was made even against George Takei wishes. So imagine, Takei, who is not only gay, but also LGBT-rights activist was against that, and yet they still thought it as some sort of tribute.
Well, I can agree and live with that.

I didn't watch any of them.

It was a stupid thing to do, no question about it (if Takei says so, that's that and there is nothing more to say). However, it hardly matters for the movie. If I have not read about it before seeing it, I'm not sure if I'd even pick up on it. It's a blink and you miss it scene, and I don't think we even see Sulu and his partner hold hands not to mention anything more. If I have not know what it was supposed to be, and knowing the character as straight, I'd probably assume it's some relative of his, bringing Sulu's daughter to meet him. So yeah, silly idea, but the way it plays out is really not damaging to the movie in the slightest.

One last bump, before I let the thread die, in case some of you have some "best & worst" to share.

Didn't see many movies in 2016. A look at some lists, and only a couple ring any bells.

Dr Strange was okay, I guess, but certainly not very good. Misplaced humour and too much CGI.

The Boy. Took a while to remember the name, which says it all really. Weird story that doesn't make much sense, even if you buy into the events they try to tell. Thankfully saw this at a friend's house, so didn't waste money on it.

Take your pick for which of them is worst.

Re-watched Flåklypa Grand Prix this x-mas. It was made a couple of years ago, but was certainly better than the above ones: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073000/

Did anyone see Assassins Creed?

I'll probably go to see it this friday. I hope I won't have to update my choices, because if I do I doubt it will be because it will take the "best" spot :P

No, but I just saw the Red Wings get their lunch eaten by Toronto. You see that? What a game, am I right?