The issue is that there is spectrum of balance for the variety of choices the setups entails. If each of us were to start speculating about what the 10th role might be, we very well could start revealing what we may or may not know about the matrix, and that is not something we want to do. Best to just scumhunt.

With that, I'm going to make a civil request.

We've got 10 players here, today. That is not many. Each of us should be participating. There should be no lurking.

There is trouble is smurfland, and we must all be smurfy to smurf out the unsmurfly.

Now, I know it's saturday and the game is just getting started, but come sayyyy, monday at some point, I'm going to start pushing on anyone I feel isn't giving enough in the hope to achieve a smurftopia. We even had a N0, so, yeh, monday. *looks at JMich and trent*

Yes. The correct answer is yes, not probably.

Howdy :) So how dark is Darko? For those of us that don't know him...

So... you like fishing? What bait you use?

U funny

Ofc needed to ignore a "seem" to get where you wanted, but still funny. ;)

But just out of curiosity, how soon after Nacho did you vote heh?

Have you played before? Looks to me like you use yourself as bait 0_o

Not sure to give you a derp clear(ish) or push you... this early, the most natural reason for you to worry about drawing false conclusions is if you already have something pointing you somewhere. Know what I mean?

Please comment. Town(ish) minds would like to know...

And can I ask the rest of you to comment on this development?

Oh there you go again you pinko... you and your pacifist nonsense. It's like you don't trust the smurfiness of the Smurfulator Smurfblastic.. or whatever that McGuffin is called.

MAKE SMURFIA BLUE AGAIN

vote drealmer

Ninja sense... [thumbs up, way up]
So derp or scum u think?

Ding ding... with open(ish) setup and relatively short days I can assure you my STU mode is on by default. For those that don't get the lingo - if you lurk, you are on my shitlist.

And so, scum or derp, any leaning?

hmmm

So cryptic... makes me wonder if joining a Bler game right ater a Drealmer game was the best choice I could've made... was the open(ish) setup a trap?


Whatevs... you happen to know Darko JMich? :) I just love me some chit chat in the morning you know.

[whispers] By chit chat, I mean gossip...

My original answer was an elaborate story about traveling through a worm hole in time to save the world and involving the theory of relativity to explain how both events took place before the other. But my agent rejected it because it was pretty much a ripoff of "Interstellar."

So I went with "probably" which was more pithy anyway, and brevity is, of course, the soul of trolling.

If you want a serious answer, well, ok...the answer to Drealmer's question can be found here, in great detail.

Hopefully that's not game-breaking.












[hint - I'm probably still trolling, no one should actually freak out without clicking the link]







The "Unvoting is required in the game per Rule #5 pre nite-nite vote count"

Brasas (2): Nacho, Wyrm
Wyrm (1): Brasas
Darko (1): Trent
No Lynch (1): drealmer

Not voting: QMich, Lift, Trial, hunter, darko

With 10 alive maj=6, Brasas is closest at L-4.


Deadline is Thursday, something something.

Where do I log the Smurf Experience complaint? :)

Unvote
vote Drealmer

By the by, I liked your "What difference, at this point, does it make?" answers to the 10th player setup questioning.

Non-answers are the smurfiest of answers... but as mod can you be implumed?

PS: That's a fruity pun for you... I went with the bluish fruit ofc...

I haven't played before, other than some real life werewolf (with just a seer as PR, and the knowledge that that was the setup), and I followed Oakwood closely (after the first few days, which I mostly scanned over).

My thinking with the question was how effective all of bler's hypothesizing seemed for town in that Oakwood game, so I figured I'd invite people to get started on doing the same. And then once we have actual information, the more speculation we have to relate to it, the more useful conclusions we can draw. But I'm guessing now that since scum currently has a big advantage with knowledge (knowing each other), that thinking would be even more advantageous to them?

I do find it interesting how various people react to me...

Oakwood was a very unusual setup. I'd recommend trying as much as possible to ignore it as an outlier. This is a semi open setup, so whole different animal.

Different players have different approaches and characters. It's both interesting and frustrating, but that is indeed the puzzle of this type of game, at least as much as playing the roles.

I think setup speculation right now is virtually worthless, unless you have some factual anchor that already gives you perspective on it - which carries risks, not just rewards. I guess what I can say, is that I'd advise you from drawing any conclusions too strongly - worrying about drawing false ones makes me wonder if you have something you want to hide.

Well, at least we get to know each other a bit more. :) So what did you think of the Oakwood game?

I'm being objective when I say that he's super cool and you can totally trust him and everything he says. Thank you for your interest in him.


That does seem a bit contradictory though.


@bler144
Cool OP, but the cobbler fascination is beyond me. Pie master race.

heh

but anyways, so you're JMich's more talkative brother right? do you ike playing Mafia? :)

Any particular reason you are trying to single out me and JMich? It's less than 24 hours since the game officially started and on a weekend. I'm sorry if I have other things to do and can't post every few hours to satisfy your desire of gabbing. Point of fact it is rare that I am inactive, and after Day 1 JMich gets more involved when there is actual info to go on. I don't appreciate the shade, and yes singling out me and JMich for possible lurking is shade when the game has only started.

My Darko vote was in jest, but shade casting already I find scummy.

Unvote DarkoD13
Vote drealmer7

Oof, loaded question. I guess I do like it until things get crazier/more tense and I don't. It's an on and off relationship.

JMich knows the answer!

holy shit!

trent is going to FLIP! (errr, not THAT type of flip...well, maybe he is?)

*catching up*

morning all!

I think I see your issue. To clarify:

if we (as individuals) knew the answer to the question, we could have it in our heads and use it to speculate, internally - that is good speculation about the roles at this point, to ourselves - it would be okay that we knew that others knew the answer (but only if we all did, if we knew that only JMich knew the answer, that would not be good.)

I should have said "Discussing our role-speculation at this point is not a good idea, keep it inside."

It was a pre-emptive message, not intended to push you at all just yet. That is why I said "I know it is saturday and game just started" - maybe I should have waited and not said anything and only actually said something if an issue arose, I suppose that could have been even more civil than the "civil message" I tried to express, because obviously I upset you a bit and I definitely didn't mean to!

I have to ask (and others should ask themselves) if that is faked ire, because I did think I made it clear.

And I singled out you and JMich because of the group here, I know of the two of you to be more lurky than I like (though not always - I find you often toe the line between just acceptable amount of inputs throughout a Day and not, it depends on the Day, and game, I would say 60% of the time I want more, 30% of the time I make do, and only 10% of the time am I like "yes! that's what I like! more talking from trent!" - it's more severe and different with JMich, but that is why I singled out the two of you) - I don't know the lurk qualities of the others, but it does apply to everyone, certainly.

Let's have fun together this game, eh?! I offer you the bong (it's shaped like a mushroom) with some smurfweed as a peace offering between us.

if I had to lean one way over the other on gogtrial...mmm...I'd say derpy - at first I think I was leaning scummy, but subsequent message has it a bit noobish purity in there

hey look, I think this is going to be a post-merge (unless someone else has posted in the interim)

that feels good to not have to wait to say, I wanted to put it at the end of the message because brasas had been asking, then forgot

Well, right at this moment, I'd imagine that the 10th person on the Matrix is town; making them scum makes them far too powerful (since it would mean we'd only need to make two mistakes and we'd lose, which is ridiculous), and making them neutral (and giving them the ability to side with scum/town) has those same mistakes if they try to side with scum. Going father than this informs scum's fakeclaim strategy/nightkill strategy; they'll want to do different things during the night and during the day depending on what role they think is likely to be the tenth in the matrix, and while they might be able to figure it out on their own, maybe not (and if they don't, that's a huge win for us). I'd rather keep them in the dark.

I don't really agree with the last part at all; Trial's approach seemed honest enough. I can't really imagine a relatively new scum player setting out to rolefish in his very first post, but it's easy enough for a new town player since it's the only substantial thing to talk about at first blush.

Is your chattier approach your normal approach as town or are you just mostly in a good mood? I didn't notice you do it in Oakwood.

No.

Just no.

no more talking like that

I don't like that at all (until it actually happens I can only "conceive" of the issues, when they're put right down and I can see them for real -eeeeeep!)

It gives me bad feelings - you've either already told scum some of your thoughts that will benefit them to know, stop! or you're scum and you're just fishing for more talk and - no. stop!

and, with such bad feelings actually, I'd like to get out of RVS


unvote no lynch

vote nachomamma8

nacho, did you really draw scum 2x in a row upon coming to GOG? mebbe you just not familiar with how serious we take that sort of thing?