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This topic is just sad, and it's a shame.
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Thunderstone: IPs are not a reliable method of identifying people; proxies, dynamic, hijacking a neighbor's wireless (one of my neighbor's router is wide open), and you can manually change your ip address: [url=http://www.wikihow.com/Change-your-IP-Address-(Windows]http://www.wikihow.com/Change-your-IP-Address-(Windows[/url])
What about their MAC address? Can't that be detected by GOG?

Anyway, this might well have been suggested in this huge thread, but wouldn't it make more sense to do a list of trusted traders?
Post edited November 17, 2012 by Export
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Thunderstone: IPs are not a reliable method of identifying people; proxies, dynamic, hijacking a neighbor's wireless (one of my neighbor's router is wide open), and you can manually change your ip address: [url=http://www.wikihow.com/Change-your-IP-Address-(Windows]http://www.wikihow.com/Change-your-IP-Address-(Windows[/url])
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Export: What about their MAC address? Can't that be detected by GOG?

Anyway, this might well have been suggested in this huge thread, but wouldn't it make more sense to do a list of trusted traders?
That would make too much sense
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Darthprymus: That would make too much sense
Pretty sure there's way's to spoof a mac address.
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Darthprymus: That would make too much sense
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Pheace: Pretty sure there's way's to spoof a mac address.
Oh i ment making a list of consistently trusted traders to lower the risk of being scammed and your most likely right - given the will im sure there is a way to hide yourself from all but anything.
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Darthprymus: That would make too much sense
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Pheace: Pretty sure there's way's to spoof a mac address.
I thought he meant about the list of trusted traders.

Edit
I see that he did.
Post edited November 17, 2012 by Export
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Export: Anyway, this might well have been suggested in this huge thread, but wouldn't it make more sense to do a list of trusted traders?
you mean create a small elite group...


also - there is a lot more people (even though most of them do not trade much) who just take an advantage of a trade now and then when it fits them - how do they get on the list? and would not this list become much larger then the others? Is the baseline that everyone not on the list a scammer?
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Darthprymus: Oh i ment making a list of consistently trusted traders to lower the risk of being scammed and your most likely right - given the will im sure there is a way to hide yourself from all but anything.
Ow, my bad, should've seen that xD
Every trade is a risk and it's all in your hands, even the most trusted person on this site could scam someone if they wanted to. Really it's just about mitigating the damage it's going to happen no matter what anyone days so long as trading and the scumbag scammers exist.


No worries Pheace in truth i should have explained my comment alot better.
Post edited November 17, 2012 by Darthprymus
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amok: you mean create a small elite group...


also - there is a lot more people (even though most of them do not trade much) who just take an advantage of a trade now and then when it fits them - how do they get on the list? and would not this list become much larger then the others? Is the baseline that everyone not on the list a scammer?
Agree those things are always difficult, and even then those people can't always be trusted indefinitely. Saw the same thing in the TF2 trading scene. Some top trusted traders are some of the worst sharks you could imagine, or were 'good traders', right up to the moment they decided they were done with the whole trading thing and then do a massive grab with their reputation.
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amok: also - there is a lot more people (even though most of them do not trade much) who just take an advantage of a trade now and then when it fits them - how do they get on the list? and would not this list become much larger then the others? Is the baseline that everyone not on the list a scammer?
Well it's only like having a security certificate for a website or, I suppose more accurately, a rating on eBay. On eBay, a person with a low rating isn't necessarily untrustworthy but you do accept that dealing with him is potentially more of a risk. Just letting people make informed decisions. If two people who aren't "trusted" want to trade, you could potentially use a trusted person to hold both codes, then give them to the other side of the two traders, if you see what I mean.

The problem with an untrusted list is that (a) it will keep growing meaninglessly as scammers change their name and (b) people will only get added to it after they scam someone, so there'll always be at least one victim. With a trusted list, it's just saying "Hey, these guys are cool, and they can also be the middleman in a trade you might want to do with a new user". The list won't grow that much since it'll mainly consist of the more longterm GOG users and only people who are interested in being part of the process.

Anyway, small elite groups aren't created, they're simply discovered. ;)
Post edited November 17, 2012 by Export
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Export:
if thats what you want, then there is already join date and rep on every single member at gog.

I do not like anything that can be turned into elitism, it never turns out well.
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amok: if thats what you want, then there is already join date and rep on every single member at gog.

I do not like anything that can be turned into elitism, it never turns out well.
It's not elitism at all, it's simply pointing out names of people that won't rip you off rather than old names of people who will. This can't not turn out well; I don't think we'll start doing trade tax and use it to create a caste system within GOG, then overthrow the original GOG team and then turn the site into the host of our new 70s porn streaming service. The point is, if there are people who are known to be trusted, someone can say to a potential trading partner, "I'll give my code to TRUSTED GUY and you give your code to him too, then he exchanges them for us".
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Export:
it is elitism, because at some point someone must make a decision who may or may not be on the list. The people on the list are the 'good' guys, those not the 'bad guys'. There is a big distinction in doing this then the other way around - i.e. everybody are most likely bad except us selected few or we don't know whether or not the other ones are bad, but we know these few are. That's my view at least.
Post edited November 17, 2012 by amok
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Export: "I'll give my code to TRUSTED GUY and you give your code to him too, then he exchanges them for us".
How is the trusted guy going to check the validity of, say, a Steam code he's given?