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Posted June 27, 2015
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TStael: I am bumping this, because I have been thinking - only from time to time of course - these four years if the third game might have moved forward.

Mancubs are fine gamers, and so are Girlcubs; and Gaycubs of either persuasion.

I do not think Detmold had to pop those pimples or rape a slave; and while he is not a real life character - he was written by someone who was or some whom were.

This was four years. I was quite devastated by some outright nasty opinions back then - I thought gamers were nice`in general, and happy for others to love gaming.

Anyone upgraded their opinions, since then?
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LiquidOxygen80: So basically, you're necroing a flame bait thread to troll for more responses? Poor form.
Did you just get here? She does that every few weeks.
Posted June 27, 2015
So what if its anti-gay?

Why does it matter?

Don't like it then don't play it.
Posted June 27, 2015
People seeing something as anti-gay, or racist even, are themself anti-gay and/or racists for seeing such things when they aren't. Bad engrish, but you get my point.
Posted June 28, 2015
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LiquidOxygen80: So basically, you're necroing a flame bait thread to troll for more responses? Poor form.
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tinyE: Did you just get here? She does that every few weeks.
Eh, you know me. I only tend to post randomly here and there, when something is either ridiculous enough or interesting enough to pique my interest somewhat. This one falls under ridiculously supercilious fuckery. I kinda feel like a dumbass for bumping it not once, but twice now. :(
Posted June 28, 2015
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LLP: I only came across this thread today while searching for a completely different topic.
PS. I feel compelled to add that in case yer post is indeed an actual, individual sentiment / view, my reply was unfortunately one of my more dick-headed posts, as it is cattily dismissive in tone.

For this I apologize.
Posted July 01, 2015
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TStael: I am not in fact sorry to say: if someone formulaically "agrees" with me while being a troll - fouk that!
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jamotide: How is he a troll?
Or, might it be... she?

I admit to gender biased assumptions meself, meanwhile, but I do try to do the he/she cum lad/lass as often as - I remember - and when I do not know.

I have to confess that what made me not able to suspend disbelief was the statement about "positive homosexual characters" in TW3.

It just seemed too much of a leap that I could believe it. Flemeth (Dragon Age series) might have some nice advice about it, thou. In case I prove to be a cynic; and TW3 gameworld is as LLP stated::Dress me in skirts, and call me a Templar - I would be pleased!

But I must withhold judgement until I play it; or ideally my brother will (thou he be not great RPG fancier).
Posted July 01, 2015
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Posted July 01, 2015
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jamotide: How is he a troll?
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TStael: Or, might it be... she?

I admit to gender biased assumptions meself, meanwhile, but I do try to do the he/she cum lad/lass as often as - I remember - and when I do not know.

I have to confess that what made me not able to suspend disbelief was the statement about "positive homosexual characters" in TW3.

It just seemed too much of a leap that I could believe it. Flemeth (Dragon Age series) might have some nice advice about it, thou. In case I prove to be a cynic; and TW3 gameworld is as LLP stated::Dress me in skirts, and call me a Templar - I would be pleased!

But I must withhold judgement until I play it; or ideally my brother will (thou he be not great RPG fancier).
why do you keep saying "thou" in place of though or "tho" - you're making all your statements oddly accusitory.

also "cum" is NOT the same as "come"
Post edited July 01, 2015 by Sachys
Posted July 01, 2015
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tort1234: So what if its anti-gay?

Why does it matter?

Don't like it then don't play it.
It does. Me thinks.

Is there anything wrong in being a little generous and worldly all at once? Think about it.

I am a fan of The Witcher and CD Project RED studio - unless TW3 game-world proves hostile and vitriolic-piss-poor, in which case I must mourn of being an ex-fan, and in this hopefully a principled one!

It matters, because I would hate to see CD Project RED busy excluding a sun-set of gamers by vitriol. BioWare, Bethesda, Larian - anyone?

It matters, because CD Project RED develops the Witcher Series to maximize shareholder return (provided they have modern corporate governance). Be the on-the-ground staff even rabidly homophobic, they should rationally dissimulate it - because this makes poor corporate PR!

(and is morally piss-poor, methinks)

What say u? :-D
Posted July 01, 2015
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227: Um, you should probably be aware that you're being offensive toward someone who's agreeing with you.

And if you still think CDPR is homophobic, I wonder how you can maintain that belief after Witcher 3 included positive homosexual characters. It really seems like nothing more than inventing bad guys to fight against for the sake of sanctimony.
The suspension of disbelief of my still plainly unkind previous post lies with LLP's "positive homosexual characters" statement - I must confess that it was the trigger to think this was agitprop / trollish kind of post.

So your reply was directed to LLP, in fact, or...?

If the gameworld from TW2 to TW3 evolved so, I would in fact be happily delighted.

I am for the moment boycotting TW3 because of Dethmold pimple popping and slave raping, but hoping my brother might take it up to be able to discuss the gameworld properly before setting forth the coin.
Posted July 01, 2015
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LiquidOxygen80: So basically, you're necroing a flame bait thread to troll for more responses? Poor form.
But you nonetheless responded only now, for the frisson of feeling the flame, eh?

This sort of "form" might be that of a latent (explicit...?) homophobe - but pray correct me, meanwhile, as u wish! ;-)

In case u bothered to dig a little deeper, you might have noted that I actually originated this tread as quite impassioned fan service to CD Project RED.

I wanted CD Project RED to know that there are fan(s?) that wanted them to reflect if Dethmold pimple popping and slave raping really was fully and analytically licenced narrative - on balance of things.

In case TW3 gameworld proves systematically vile to some (and those vulnerable especially), the issue will be resolved, because I can no longer remain a fan of the franchise nor the studio.
Posted July 01, 2015
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TStael: The suspension of disbelief of my still plainly unkind previous post lies with LLP's "positive homosexual characters" statement - I must confess that it was the trigger to think this was agitprop / trollish kind of post.
I highly doubt that, since I was the one who brought that up, and even then only after you lashed out at them. Or maybe I'm blind and can't see whatever you're referring to despite reading LLP's post multiple times.

Whatever the case, I'm very interested in how you'll view TW3. I also hope DarkZephyr and others who had a problem with that particular scene in the second game will give the third entry a try and be open to the possibility that the scene (part of one out of four possible ending paths, remember) reflected little more than Roche's already-established proclivity for brutality rather than any kind of anti-gay agenda on the part of the developers.
Posted July 01, 2015
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TStael: Very minor SPOILER maybe: core NPCs of The Witcher 2 (TW2) story are often not so very nice people, and many of them shall perish in gruesome ways.

If you do not want to know anything of the specifics, do not read on.

Ok, so one of the bad guys in TW2 is called out obvisously gay: that effiminate robed guy Dethmold (sorry if name is wrong), whom we meet for final confrontation in sordid setting of sex slavery of lesser servant, with sex toys here and there.

We shall confont the cowardly whimp, tell him he has it coming, mutilate his genitalia, and then cut off his throat. I do seem to recall this caracter was too busy begging to actually put up a significant fight.

I must admit this whole characterisation went pretty much unnoticed by me at the time - I recon TW series is somehow original for certain seediness and brutality of the gameworld - but reading piece of quite strongly anti-gay news of the home country of developers made me my mind "click" and reframe that scene into a nasty anti-gay context.

I do not object that one of the evil men were gay, but I must ask the following questions:

- why was this cracter given such particularly demeaning and painful end, as opposed to e.g. that lyncher, rapist king, or de-stabilishing political assassin who gets at least a proper show down?

- why was this guy modelled after all possible effeminate, negative cliches, and not after the positievely powerful "Tom of Finland" types - that certainly would not have been shitting in their pants when the final reckoning came to be?

- notwithstanding the very casual sex content of particularly the first installment, why was gay sex portrayed in such totally seedy way?

I have become now put off from The Witcher because I just really hate when anyone is bullied, or treated in demeaning way. I would have made a different buying decision in hindsight, certainly.

I would much appreciate opinion of other gamers who have played though. Do you think at all the same way? Or would you think I am draving totally wrong, overreacting conculusions? Or if my anti-gay take of this particular characterisation is in fact at all hitting the mark even by margin, even if you have not played it, do you think this should in principle not be ok?
If you hate it when anyone is bullied or treated in a demeaning way in GAMES then I suggest you stop playing video games. Because one of reasons, videos games are entertaining is because we human beings find drama to be entertaining. And how can there be drama, without people being bullied or treated in a demeaning way? And just because the world that serves as the setting for the Witcher games is anti gay(if that is the case), doesn't mean the game is anti gay. It just seems you can't handle dark video games. And nowadays most video games are dark. So I suggest you stop playing video games. And if you can't do that, then stick to sports game or simulators or children's games. And In order for a game to be anti gay, a game would have to convince the people who play it to become anti gay. I do not see how the Witcher games do this. And even if the Witcher games tried to do this, video games don't have the power to make people become anti gay. It takes more than video games to make people become anti gay.

And do you really think CD Projekt would do something as foolish as releasing games that are anti gay when the majority of the Western world considers it evil to be anti gay? That would make no sense whatsoever. Sure, there are people in the Western world who are anti gay but why would CD Projekt cater to this small group of people? CD Projekt is out to make as much money as possible. Not to piss off the majority of the Western world so they lose a massive amount of customers.
Post edited July 01, 2015 by monkeydelarge
Posted July 01, 2015
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LiquidOxygen80: So basically, you're necroing a flame bait thread to troll for more responses? Poor form.
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TStael: But you nonetheless responded only now, for the frisson of feeling the flame, eh?

This sort of "form" might be that of a latent (explicit...?) homophobe - but pray correct me, meanwhile, as u wish! ;-)

In case u bothered to dig a little deeper, you might have noted that I actually originated this tread as quite impassioned fan service to CD Project RED.

I wanted CD Project RED to know that there are fan(s?) that wanted them to reflect if Dethmold pimple popping and slave raping really was fully and analytically licenced narrative - on balance of things.

In case TW3 gameworld proves systematically vile to some (and those vulnerable especially), the issue will be resolved, because I can no longer remain a fan of the franchise nor the studio.
That's a lot of words to simply admit to being a troll. No, your cause wasn't noble. No, you're not misunderstood. Your OP had all the aplomb of a Gawker level sensationalist rag. You're shit-stirring to shit-stir, and that's what trolls do. Therefore, this is the last post I'm gonna put into this thread.
Posted July 07, 2015
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TStael: The suspension of disbelief of my still plainly unkind previous post lies with LLP's "positive homosexual characters" statement - I must confess that it was the trigger to think this was agitprop / trollish kind of post.
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227: I highly doubt that, since I was the one who brought that up,
Take that credit if you wish. But the fact of LLP agreeing with me - which u thought material enough to bring up - is immaterial. The spirit of my post was the fact of it, that is all.

But I am pleased to invite u, on yer turn, to suspend your disbelief. :-p


There is Detmold.

And there is Saskia - who was under effect of magic equivalent of "date-rape drug" by Philippa; we might learn upon saving her dragon-incarnation; it seems.

But then again Philippa be subjected to vile and brutal torture in some play-through scenarios.

And in the one I chose (Roche) the purportedly lesbian madame hangs herself prior to worse to come in that first town.


On this interim balance sheet - why is my suspicion of TW3 being universally immersive so hard to believe?

Pray tell!
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LiquidOxygen80: That's a lot of words to simply admit to being a troll. No, your cause wasn't noble. No, you're not misunderstood. Your OP had all the aplomb of a Gawker level sensationalist rag. You're shit-stirring to shit-stir, and that's what trolls do. Therefore, this is the last post I'm gonna put into this thread.
Get over it, already, poppet! :-D
Post edited July 07, 2015 by TStael
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