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Posted April 18, 2018
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elcook: So there is a very cool and nice feature coming to GOG - we will be introducing user profiles very, very soon. But I won’t be revealing any details of the feature, as we want you guys to experience it first-hand rather than reading some PR bla-bla. Before it all goes live and will be available for you, we need to deal with all the formalities - launching profiles means adding new privacy settings on our end. We want to give you a heads-up, and that’s why today we’ve introduced the three new privacy settings on your GOG account, all connected to the profiles.

As with all privacy settings, you will find the three new options on your account, under „Orders & Settings” in the Privacy tab. These settings allow you to set visibility for your profile summary (including your recent activity and recently active friends), your games on the profile and your friends on the profile - you can set them to „everyone”, „friends only”, or „only me”. The default settings are - „everyone” for your profile, and „friends only” for both your games and your friends. If you want, you can change those settings already, before we launch with profiles, and of course you can change those settings anytime you want.

Hope you’ll enjoy this new feature when it comes to GOG, and expect an official announcement very soon!
About this option/feature...

YOUR PROFILE PAGE INCLUDING ACTIVITY AND ACTIVE FRIENDS CAN BE SEEN BY

Is it possible to separate these? While I might be willing to reveal my own activities, I think it would be wrong to also be revealing the activities of "active friends" who may have different privacy concerns. As such I feel I must choose "Only me" at this time.
Posted April 18, 2018
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As toxicTom said on post 57, send emails about this to everyone + a news on frontpage
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I have to switch subject because it is something very important to many of us, something still not implemented.
When are you going to put the clickable flag or selection box (in user settings) forcing only Classic Installers visible by default for all games instead of galaxy ones???
Its been on my wishlist and I'm sure many others for a while.

Edit: Ninjaed by Klumpen0815, post 70.
Post edited April 18, 2018 by Lostinablock
Posted April 18, 2018
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Matruchus: This is actually illegal by the new EU privacy law that goes in to effect in May.
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Gersen: It has been some time since I read/discuss the GDPR but IIRC only "sensitive personal data" requires mandatory explicit "opt-in", as in if Gog want to release you real name, etc... then it's opt in only.

For non-sensitive data (and the game in you collection is definitely non-sensitive data) you only need to be unambiguously informed (could be via a mail or a new EULA to accept when you connect to the site) and have the possibility to opt-in / opt-out at will.

It doesn't seem as "clear cut" as some superficial reading of article 25 can make you believe, standard interpretation and lawyer interpretation seems to differ quite a lot. I suspect Gog probably checked with their lawyer what they could and couldn't do.
Two points

1) VALVE doesn't do anything unless its a vanity project or they absolutely have to, and they made all profiles private most likely under the instructions of their Lawyers.
2) Valve Lawyers are so good they could convince a Judge that PC games might not be software.


There is also a third and most important point, regardless of legal position, the vast majority of GoG users would prefer to have this set to private by default.
Posted April 18, 2018
Ok GoG. Disabled. What comes next?
Posted April 18, 2018
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toxicTom: 1) Defaults should all be set to max privacy. See EU privacy laws - could invite trouble otherwise.

2) "My activity" and "my online friends" should be split. It's fine if I decide to reveal my own stuff - it's not ok to reveal other people without asking them first.
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BKGaming: These are pretty much the same defaults Steam uses... so if Steam can get away with it in the EU so can GOG. Actually I'm pretty sure Steam shows your friends accounts by default publicly also so GOG is actually better. They can probably get away with it because these are public accounts which you agree to when you create one.

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Nice though, profiles will make a lot of things easier.
Except Valve has recently forced all peoples profiles to private due to the upcoming GDPR law. There's been a big hoo haa over this and how its killed SteamSpy
Posted April 18, 2018
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mechmouse: There is also a third and most important point, regardless of legal position, the vast majority of GoG users would prefer to have this set to private by default.
The sensitive ones on the forums at least ;)
Posted April 18, 2018
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mechmouse: 1) VALVE doesn't do anything unless its a vanity project or they absolutely have to, and they made all profiles private most likely under the instructions of their Lawyers.
2) Valve Lawyers are so good they could convince a Judge that PC games might not be software.
They didn't make profiles private as far as I am aware. I have never messed with my settings; it was public before the change and still public after. All they did was separate game list, etc and they set that to friends only be default. So GOG essentially is using nearly the same default settings.

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mechmouse: There is also a third and most important point, regardless of legal position, the vast majority of GoG users would prefer to have this set to private by default.
And you get the data from where exactly?
Posted April 18, 2018
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mechmouse: There is also a third and most important point, regardless of legal position, the vast majority of GoG users would prefer to have this set to private by default.
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Pheace: The sensitive ones on the forums at least ;)
Good point, let me rephrase it

I think the majority of people would like to have the choice, given how this change has been announced that element of choice has been removed.
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mechmouse: There is also a third and most important point, regardless of legal position, the vast majority of GoG users would prefer to have this set to private by default.
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BKGaming: And you get the data from where exactly?
See reply to Pheace
Post edited April 18, 2018 by mechmouse
Posted April 18, 2018
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mechmouse: Except Valve has recently forced all peoples profiles to private due to the upcoming GDPR law. There's been a big hoo haa over this and how its killed SteamSpy
Again, see what I posted above. I don't believe they did, mine is still public. SteamSpy was killed because the set game list to friends only by default which meant SteamSpy could not get an accurate count of who owned what games.
Posted April 18, 2018
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bhrigu: Hmm. Intriguing.
Is it praise? or .....
:p

Anyway, just one thing. Will it be possible to do so that we can choose which games from our collection to show in the profile, rather than the entire library?
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elcook: Unfortunately, it's either all or none.
And what about "hidden games"? It shouldn't be too difficult to prevent them to show up, should it?
Posted April 18, 2018
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elcook: So there is a very cool and nice feature coming to GOG - we will be introducing user profiles very, very soon. But I won’t be revealing any details of the feature, as we want you guys to experience it first-hand rather than reading some PR bla-bla. Before it all goes live and will be available for you, we need to deal with all the formalities - launching profiles means adding new privacy settings on our end. We want to give you a heads-up, and that’s why today we’ve introduced the three new privacy settings on your GOG account, all connected to the profiles.

As with all privacy settings, you will find the three new options on your account, under „Orders & Settings” in the Privacy tab. These settings allow you to set visibility for your profile summary (including your recent activity and recently active friends), your games on the profile and your friends on the profile - you can set them to „everyone”, „friends only”, or „only me”. The default settings are - „everyone” for your profile, and „friends only” for both your games and your friends. If you want, you can change those settings already, before we launch with profiles, and of course you can change those settings anytime you want.

Hope you’ll enjoy this new feature when it comes to GOG, and expect an official announcement very soon!
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RWarehall: About this option/feature...

YOUR PROFILE PAGE INCLUDING ACTIVITY AND ACTIVE FRIENDS CAN BE SEEN BY

Is it possible to separate these? While I might be willing to reveal my own activities, I think it would be wrong to also be revealing the activities of "active friends" who may have different privacy concerns. As such I feel I must choose "Only me" at this time.
This ^
I think dividing these settings in a few more catagories might be better.

Also make it so that one can choose to share their achievements and hide their gameplay time, or the opposite. In simple words give more fine tuning options.
Posted April 18, 2018
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mechmouse: Except Valve has recently forced all peoples profiles to private due to the upcoming GDPR law. There's been a big hoo haa over this and how its killed SteamSpy
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BKGaming: Again, see what I posted above. I don't believe they did, mine is still public. SteamSpy was killed because the set game list to friends only by default which meant SteamSpy could not get an accurate count of who owned what games.
I stand corrected, which does make it appear it was more targeted towards SteamSpy rather than to protect themselves from the GDPR
Posted April 18, 2018
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"Your Profile page including activity and active friends can be seen by" should NOT be "everyone" by default... Please fix that GOG.
Post edited April 18, 2018 by russellskanne
Posted April 18, 2018
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elcook: We will be talking about it in the official announcement of the feature on the main page, when it goes live. This is just a heads up for you, the most dedicated ones, who hang out here in the forums. You guys and gals are also the most sensitive for such changes, hence the forum post to let you know earlier.
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kohlrak: I pour you a glass for that one, with my hat tipped.

To be fair, though, we do like to pretend we care about privacy (when, in reality, we totally don't, as our actions are inconsistent with what we say).
Some of us actually genuinely care, and take measures to protect it.
Posted April 18, 2018
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elcook: snip
Am I the only one that thinks the checkbox is weirdly placed compared the rest of the settings?

https://i.imgur.com/81NZRTA.jpg
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