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Posted February 10, 2016
"There's an entire publisher devoted to Early Access games?!"
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wishbone: I reserve the right to mercilessly mock and deliberately misunderstand anyone referring to early access games as EA Games in the future.
Just wait until EA Games release an iD game on GOG, and confuse the heck out of all of us ;)
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wulf2k: Or is this just the beginning of the same path that Steam went down?
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ZFR: Every time someone says "Is X just the beginning of the same path that Steam went down?" a kitten in Africa dies :(
Wait, since when are there kittens in Africa :P


Frankly, like said before, I don't really care about GiD as long as they don't replace / negatively affect regular releases (Finished Games).

Just can't be arsed with EA / GiD / KS, I'd rather pay for finished products than waste money on "pretty promises".


Though a hide / filter option certainly would help with some of the criticism (out of the eyes, out of the mind :P ).
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wishbone: Okay, I'm obviously not getting through here, but I'll keep trying:

Will everyone please, for the love of GOG, stop referring to early access titles as EA Games!?!

I cannot stress this enough. Seriously, it will make future discussions about games so confusing, and people will have no idea what other people are trying to say. It's like lazily deciding that steampunk is too long a word to bother to write, and start referring to all games with a steampunk theme as Steam Games.

EA Games is a huge game publisher, people! The name is already taken! Granted, they evoke many of the same reactions and divisions in the gaming community as early access games do, but that doesn't mean the two are interchangeable in a discussion!

If you cannot be assed to write out "early access" in full, adopt GOG's expression of Games In Development, and call them GIDs instead, not EA Games!

I reserve the right to mercilessly mock and deliberately misunderstand anyone referring to early access games as EA Games in the future.
Combined with the fact that GOG's selection of games is called "In Development", not Early Access. This does not mean that everyone should start calling them Id Games either - that name is also already taken.
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wulf2k: Is anybody else sick of this "Early Access" fad?

I approved of the concept initially but it just didn't work out. Too many of them never get completed, or are just terrible to start and leave me with no interest in ever checking them out again.

I literally stopped looking at the Steam Store and sales because of Early Access games. They're everywhere. Finish your game and then sell it, or don't waste my time by making one at all.

I was disappointed when I saw GOG starting their "In Development" sales. I originally started coming here for their Good Old Games, and I'm willing to accept that they've moved past that. Good New Games can be great as well. But why the hell are they wasting our time with Terrible Incomplete Games?

I'll admit that I haven't given GOG's InDev games a chance. Are they at least doing a better job of vetting them than Steam?

Or is this just the beginning of the same path that Steam went down?
Do people do this kind of thing in real life? For example, I don't like eggplant, can't stand it. But yet my local grocery store sells eggplant. I guess that should piss me off. Should I go there and tell the manager that I'm pissed off that I don't like eggplant and that he should stop selling eggplant because it makes me mad and it's all about what I want (I am the customer). To hell with the people who like eggplant. I don't, therefore I demand that you stop selling it.


I wonder how that would go......
Posted February 10, 2016
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Habanerose: Just can't be arsed with EA / GiD / KS, I'd rather pay for finished products than waste money on "pretty promises".
empty promises you mean

personally i wont lay down a single dime for these glorified paid beta's
finish the game and then i might be interested
Posted February 10, 2016
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Habanerose: Wait, since when are there kittens in Africa :P
Lion cubs are kittens too :)

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Habanerose: Though a hide / filter option certainly would help with some of the criticism (out of the eyes, out of the mind :P ).
Wouldn't this be possible to implement in Barefoot Essentials? I didn't look, but there is probably enough info already. At least in game store, it already has option to hide owned games, there should be very little work to hide GiD too. Maybe worth suggesting it to author, rather than waiting for GoG to implement it themselves.
Posted February 10, 2016
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huan: Sorry, I'm NOT sick of it. I consider myself capable of choice, there is always the option to just not buy. I wouldn't even mind too much if GoG was full of "finished" crap like Steam is, for the same reason. I came here for the old games too, but today DRM-Free is the main selling point.
I'm not trying to be contrarian here, just curious to gauge your opinion.

Since you are "capable of choice" and since "today DRM-Free is the main selling point", would you be ok with GOG adding full-blown DRM games to their catalogue, which I assume you will not be interested in buying yourself?
Post edited February 10, 2016 by mrkgnao
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wulf2k: Is anybody else sick of this "Early Access" fad?

I approved of the concept initially but it just didn't work out. Too many of them never get completed, or are just terrible to start and leave me with no interest in ever checking them out again.

I literally stopped looking at the Steam Store and sales because of Early Access games. They're everywhere. Finish your game and then sell it, or don't waste my time by making one at all.

I was disappointed when I saw GOG starting their "In Development" sales. I originally started coming here for their Good Old Games, and I'm willing to accept that they've moved past that. Good New Games can be great as well. But why the hell are they wasting our time with Terrible Incomplete Games?

I'll admit that I haven't given GOG's InDev games a chance. Are they at least doing a better job of vetting them than Steam?

Or is this just the beginning of the same path that Steam went down?
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synfresh: Do people do this kind of thing in real life? For example, I don't like eggplant, can't stand it. But yet my local grocery store sells eggplant. I guess that should piss me off. Should I go there and tell the manager that I'm pissed off that I don't like eggplant and that he should stop selling eggplant because it makes me mad and it's all about what I want (I am the customer). To hell with the people who like eggplant. I don't, therefore I demand that you stop selling it.

I wonder how that would go......
You could tell him he should start doing "Quality Curation /s
Post edited February 10, 2016 by Mr.Caine
Posted February 10, 2016
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snowkatt: empty promises you mean
Yep, but they hide them behind embellished lies and shameless exaggeration of "what could be"... and usually it ends up just another turd.
Posted February 10, 2016
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snowkatt: empty promises you mean
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Habanerose: Yep, but they hide them behind embellished lies and shameless exaggeration of "what could be"... and usually it ends up just another turd.
or so long in development peopel dont care anymore

the only paid beta game i actually want is out of beta now as it happens ( dirt rally)
Posted February 10, 2016
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mrkgnao: I'm not trying to contrarian here, just curious to gauge your opinion.

Since you are "capable of choice" and since "today DRM-Free is the main selling point", would you be ok with GOG adding full-blown DRM games to their catalogue, which I assume you will not be interested in buying yourself?
Good and HARD question... I think THAT step is what would break my tolerance. I'd choose to move somewhere else (or lock myself in my room and enjoy my existing collection). Maybe if they launched another site for that... It's hard to play what-if games.
Posted February 10, 2016
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huan: Sorry, I'm NOT sick of it. I consider myself capable of choice, there is always the option to just not buy. I wouldn't even mind too much if GoG was full of "finished" crap like Steam is, for the same reason. I came here for the old games too, but today DRM-Free is the main selling point.
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mrkgnao: I'm not trying to be contrarian here, just curious to gauge your opinion.

Since you are "capable of choice" and since "today DRM-Free is the main selling point", would you be ok with GOG adding full-blown DRM games to their catalogue, which I assume you will not be interested in buying yourself?
My guess is most people would simply not buy the games here anymore. That still exercising 'choice', the choice to buy somewhere else. The simple fact of the matter is people do prefer different things, like early access (GID or whatever) titles. There is a reason games like Rust, Dayz, Ark, and countless other titles have actually sold a decent amount of copies while they have been in EA.
Posted February 10, 2016
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mrkgnao: I'm not trying to contrarian here, just curious to gauge your opinion.

Since you are "capable of choice" and since "today DRM-Free is the main selling point", would you be ok with GOG adding full-blown DRM games to their catalogue, which I assume you will not be interested in buying yourself?
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huan: Good and HARD question... I think THAT step is what would break my tolerance. I'd choose to move somewhere else (or lock myself in my room and enjoy my existing collection). Maybe if they launched another site for that... It's hard to play what-if games.
Good and honest answer.

I think that what some people complaining about InDev games might be saying is that the introduction of these games might similarly tax their tolerance.

It's like, say, a vegetarian restaurant. If the restaurant adds just one meat dish, one can say to oneself "I will just not buy this one dish", but once half the menu is meat dishes one is far more likely to look for another restaurant (or lock oneself in one's room and eat home-cooked meals).

For me, the GOG menu (with such items as regional blocking, regional pricing, regional gifting, InDev games, DLCs) is already decidedly unappetising.
Posted February 10, 2016
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mrkgnao: I'm not trying to be contrarian here, just curious to gauge your opinion.

Since you are "capable of choice" and since "today DRM-Free is the main selling point", would you be ok with GOG adding full-blown DRM games to their catalogue, which I assume you will not be interested in buying yourself?
I'd probably be disappointed, but I'd likely still purchase DRM-Free games here. I'm already willing to purchase DRM free games at vendors who sell a mixed bag DRM-wise (ie. Humble, IndieGameStand, Shinyloot (RIP)).

In the end, I recognize that GOG is a business, and they have to do whatever they feel they need to do to be a profitable business - If they're not making money, they're not a good business. I may not agree with them. I might even think they're wrong, but, they're the ones with the intimate knowledge of they're business. Who am I to tell them what they should and shouldn't do?
Post edited February 10, 2016 by hummer010
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