For shame. The one person I had nearly locked as town is gone. Of course, my sayng this now doesn't matter, but I was hoping someone less townie would be NKd.

I wasn't there, so thanks for that flavor.

Yes, it is good to know this.


WHAT?? Where do you get the bit about Brian Blessed? Also, no, I don't think so.

@everyone for those who don't know what an "epic role" is, please check out this post for a list of common roles & modifiers, as sometimes used in GOG's Forum Mafia games. Nice post. Thanks for the info on how you have FlakeSnow leaning :)

Where is your BAH post?

Note that Cop doesn't have to be town, though the flavour makes it very unlikely this cop is scum.

Thanks for the link and the quote. Helpful, as always.

It does not make sense that scum has Cop powers, unless it is a name cop, don't you think? Finding the rare Neutral is not that useful for them.

Had him as Town, too... Possibly, he did use his spell and took a bullet for someone else.

Well. I think, if this is indeed an Epic role, it might be the second time the Epic qualifier has been used anywhere ever, but yeah.

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When I was provoking pooka at the end of the Day yesterDay, I was thinking a town-pooka reaction would be more like being victimised or treated unfairly. So when I was asking pooka 'how do you feel?' I was hoping for an answer like 'betrayed!' or ':('
So pooka coming back to that question with neat argument for why microfish must be scum seems to me like scum-pooka.

Does anyone know what I mean?

Pooka, have I got it all wrong?

Note to all reading this......these posts were made during night phase(edited, replied to, and saved for posting on "day" 2), and replied to in order of posting....so some things might change about my stances on things as I read/reply & those I reply to may/may not be here(if someone gets/got NKd)....that said:
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If you(In whole or in part) meant me with this: I had a feeling this would be the case when I first no lynch voted on "day" 1. I wanted to get one of my top suspects lynched as well, but felt it wasn't going to happen with all the fractured voting......sadly I was right.
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Yeah, I somewhat stubbornly stick to my play style(for various reasons) like scene with his meta in the recent SH game and Lift with his bit of LAL stance earlier...it often does me few favors, but it helpes me enjoy the game and play as I see fit, so I get a bit of good and bad with it.

Lol, made me chuckle a bit IRL....also thanks for the reads list, as it is always helpful to have more insight when trying to find scum.
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It was likely going to happen on "day" 1 anyways....someone would be pushed close to lynch and then likely claim at some point because of that....as such I just take some sort of claim as a given on many "days" of mafia games.

It does if we include the entire HP "world"/"verse" and all it's groups and factions as possible things OP could've added into the game.
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Had to re-look up that term.....and yeah, I agree, chaotic is very apropos to describe the posting/actions here for several pages(up till this post you made for certain, and possibly even after[still reading]).
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I think it was just one person(as of this post you made here), and tbh i'm shocked it isn't more given how I play....the "vets" all have a few seemingly universal stances and I don't always agree with them for my own reasons/how I like to play, and newcomers would likely see my play as scummy due to those same "vets"/others giving them pointers(or from them reading the various mafia wikis/etc), so I get why i'd likely be seen as scummy by some.

I kinda figured we might......imo at this point I feel a skillful(or lucky) scum/scum team likely helped nudge us into just enough chaos to keep our votes split apart so none of them might get voted on "day" 1, which was likely also helped by a bunch of newcomers in the new game whose votes were likely easier for them to manipulate.

Maybe it's due to "vets" recognizing my pay style is NAI so they held back a bit this time, or maybe it's due to newcomers not knowing which way to go with me(vote or not), or maybe I got lucky....heck it's likely a mixture of all 3.

This post/reply makes me lean you a bit more town....not many scum would have done this, I think.
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This post gave me PeterPan vibes, for some reason. o.0 ;)

Also damn it man, don't you sleep?

(I only say the above line cuz I worry when people don't get enough sleep/etc...especially our kind and benevolent OPs. :))
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The fact that Flocke/Rwarehall/others let this get to nolynch(especially after some of them pushed a few times for a lynch....ANY lynch....while saying nolynch on D1 was bad) makes me have pause and wonder a bit.
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*Caught up till the end of the first day/Post 578....all post replies added after this will be from "day" 2 and after we get the night's results in from OP*

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Dammit....they got our bodyguard....damn damn damn.

Thankfully though, it seems we do have a cop/etc on the team.....hmm, I wonder who they investigated and what the results were(hopefully they will let us know somehow if need be).

Also HOW did they find one of our PRs? Luck, or do they(scum teams in general) have a way to find PRs in some games?

(If anyone more knowledgeable in the game could help me on the second question it'd be appreciated)
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*More posts in a bit....gotta make room for the next post via waiting for a new post to become available(either via the Tenus Minitus Limitus Spell or Via the Fellow Playerus Bumpus Charm)*

Just a joke. If Brian Blessed had been in any of the films, surely his character would have the Epic modifier.

(To the uninitiated, Brian Blessed is an actor who is incredibly loud in almost everything he does.)

Here are the D1 wagons at their longest. First wagon is the earliest and last the latest. Several wagons may repeat, depending on if they lost traction at one point then came back. I'm basing these findings off ZFR's vote counts for ease.

Most successful wagons of previous Day:
agent 6 - RWarehall, Lift, SirPrimalform, Joe, Micro, GameRaget
Pooka 4 - Micro, FlockeShnee, Joe, RWarehall
Microfish 7 - trent, Pooka, yogsloth, ConsulCaesar, SirPrimalform. agent, Joe

Thankfully enough, RWarehall's flip makes solving those wagons a touch easier. If you remove him from the wagons, you get:
agent 6 - Lift, SirPrimalform, Joe, Micro, GameRaget
Pooka 4 - Micro, FlockeShnee, Joe
Microfish 7 - trent, Pooka, yogsloth, ConsulCaesar, SirPrimalform. agent, Joe

I'm worried about Joe. On closer inspection, he joined the Microfish wagon when it became the most prominent (likely because I nagged everyone to death about voting), and right before that, he joined my wagon on LAMIST-based suspicion, but I have a nagging feeling his vote on Agent was opportunistic. The post I linked is where he voted him and stayed on him until my wagon came up, quoted SirP who himself quoted Joe saying that he'd vote Agent to avoid no-lynch because he looked more annoying by the minute. SirP tells him that if he was voting based on annoyance rather than scumminess, that made more sense. Then Joe votes Agent again anyway, after noting that Trent wasn't getting lynched.

I'm not feeling like checking on SirP who also comes to mind, but from where I look, Micro's votes don't seem as bad as Joe's. I should also check out what Micro said and did and get a better idea of who he is, now that there is the time.

A side note...an Epic Cop...that certainly isn't a run of the mill role, huh. That, with RWarehall's flip, makes me think this game is probably Role Madness.

I also wonder this.....also I can state right now it sadly wasn't me, in case anyone is curious.....hopefully, though, it was a fellow town(so they can Team up Right away & hunt Until they find Scum & help Take us to a win.
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So does a bodyguard need to die each time they use their PR successfully(is that the way that PR works in this case?), or did a scum just get lucky? What do you think?

Any info/reply to the above would be appreciated.

Dohoho....though to be fair, many had a chance to push a lynch the previous "day", but many didn't, including FlockSchnee.....who was on at the right time to hammer a lynch and chose not to. Is is the sign of a hesitant newbie or a scum tell....who knows.

To all: What does everyone think of the above musing on Flocke and his hesitation to lynch "yesterday"?
(To OP: The above line is not a vote)
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Same question to you as to Yog just now: What about Flocke refusing to hammer "yesterday"? What are your thoughts on that?

Also sorry to hear you're not feeling well....I hope you feel better in time. :) Question, who is this GameRageT person? o.0 ;)

(I am guessing typo?)

Role madness?
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Done for now......

Yes, that's how bodyguard works. They protect a player, and if that player eats a kill order, the bodyguard dies instead.

It's a pretty lame role tbh, in that it's rarely useful until really late game if a key town power role has claimed. It's also usually used *in place of* a Town Doctor, which is double lame-sauce if that's the case here.

As to whether RW made a save or not, menh, who cares, and it's probably utterly useless to speculate. I like to think he did, just to bestow extra glory on him in Valhalla... unless he made the save on a vanilla townie lol

Well maybe Rwarehall protected Agent(due to his claim) or maybe he ferreted out who another PR might be and protected them Instead. :|

I am guessing he did....I think it's more likely than the scum team randomly hitting a town PR, anyways.

I sandbagged posting this, kind of wanted Flocke to post first, but I’m too anxious lol:

Flocke definitely was right there, able to hammer, online during the last few minutes, and didn’t.

Here’s what he had to say as deadline approached:

This is his *very next post*:

Can anybody actually explain a coherent, Town-thinking narrative between these two posts? His top picks to flip scum are lift and microfish, votes microfish, and in his very next post votes for pooka.

People, that’s not how Townies think. That’s not how Townies act. Even newer players. Townies, when finally moved to name a top suspect and place a vote, require some kind of development to change that opinion. (In fact, as Town, many of us have a tendency to “bite down” on a suspect and refuse to change even when there *is* evidence we should!) Flocke shifted his vote *away* from one of his top two picks… not to the other pick… but to the counter-wagon to his stated top pick.

Then, with his “top pick” awaiting hammer, he refuses, even though he’s online at that moment.

So let’s take a look at something… RW’s death actually gives us a great glimpse at the wagons:

If microfish is scum, I won’t believe any of his buddies were on that wagon… which means, assuming three mafia, his partners have to be exactly 2/4 of Flocke, joppo, Lift, and Carradice


Lookie at that

Eh, it's for the best....if you'd have waited we'd likely be waiting an IRL day or more for him to even post here. :D

Good points and I noted a good deal of that myself as well....Flocke is edging ever more into my top suspects list due to those decisions at the tail end of the previous "day"(and also slightly due to not posting much...even when online).

Yeah, it was ODD how Micro's wagon got up to steam a few times and then stalled/etc.

Also i'm curious: of the above 4, whom do you think is most suspicious/maybe needing an investigation by our now confirmed cop or eventual push to claim(if need be)? I think Flocke or Lift, myself.

Mafiosos bus each other all the time for Town points. Wouldn't have been strange.

Remember the Watcher of Kalunga incident we keep bringing up? In that very same game, Trent was Agent's scumbuddy, and he voted for him, on Day 1, and successfully got him lynched.

I don't know how to interpret it, whether it came from a town or mafia mindset. It seems likely that a Town Flocke thought to stay to the wagon he believed in, mine, rather than "try" Micro so to say. It's also just as likely that a Mafia Flocke saw his scumbuddy Micro getting too much heat but didn't have the idea of bussing for town points.

That said, I think Mafia Flocke is less likely. That effort of reading between the lines and trying to find people communicating in code is, as RW put it, a Town effort. I don't see that kind of play coming from scum.

I am feeling a lot better now, thanks. GameRaget was a ZFR typo that I copied without fixing.

Imagine a game where almost everyone has a role. That's Role Madness. There might be a vanilla or two in those games, but they're so low (or non-existent) that finding them is like finding a needle in the haystack.

Joe. While responding to you about this, I remembered that one SH Discord game where I was scum, so my argument, which was originally "where do you get the idea that my getting emotional is a Town Pooka tell?" has shifted to "why does the way I argue give you the idea I am Scum Pooka?".

Also, I actually did get emotional for a second, if that's what you mean. There's a reason I wrote it like that back in Post 540: "lOoK aT mE i'M sO tOwN" as well as its derivatives in that very same post. So you sort of already got the Town Pooka reaction you were thinking of, just not to the question you specified. Of course, that's just your idea of a Town Pooka reaction.

There is a version of the Cop called the Role Cop. Rather than tell you the alignment of the player, it tells you the role of the player. For example, if the Role Cop investigates a person, he will get a PM saying that person is a Doctor. Role cops benefit the Mafia A LOT.

That's enough for a reply.

Well, it all depends on flips, doesn't it?

Which is precisely why no-lynching on Day 1 is total ass, GameRager

So yeah, I'm an idiot, I totally forgot you no-lynched on purpose, so go ahead and add yourself to the pile of potential microfish buddies

If we lynch microfish and he flips mafia, I probably just turbo-lynch Flocke the next Day and investigate Lift or you at night

The cop could also pick from the players based on their own suspicions and data available(who went on and off which wagons and when).

It's more "ass" than a lynch on D1 with more town than scum(imo), but not by much.

Also I myself wanted us to get to a lynch of my top suspects list, but I felt it wasn't going to happen due to fractured voting(and I was sadly right)....that is partially why I started with nolynch and then lept around so much.

Note above....it(to me) wasn't happening with the votes being all over.....but fair enough/i'd expect no less from a fellow town.

Good plan & that sounds like a good idea for our town cop.... town could lynch either Micro or Flocke and the cop could investigate the other, and then everyone could look into the remaining players and analyze the wagon.

Yes.

Good stuff.


Splitting headache so that's all I have to say right now.