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Previously, on GOG forums:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gtagrand_theft_auto_1_complete_pack_in_steam/page1
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GamezRanker: I surmise it's time for all y'all armchair lawy....."law abiding users just here to tell other users what the law is" to graciously take the L and move on.
"Take the L"...?!

The OP is linking to pirated software, which is a direct violation of GOG's forum rules. There is no possible way that any users who point out this fact are "taking an L" for doing so.
Post edited February 08, 2024 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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RetroTekNomad: Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately the way GTA1 was coded, the camera movement makes me want to hurl. So I found a mod for GTA2 that actually includes widescreen fixes and mouse aiming. Look up the biggest GTA fan site if you're interested. IMO GTA2 is the best of the 2D ones, well that and Chinatown Wars.
You are welcome! ^^
Thanks for the tip! =) I know this mod, there is a mod that adds a radar (mini map) too. If memory serves, I posted the links in a post much higher. Honestly, I even thought about uploading a ready-to-use GTA 2 package that I have here, but if I did that we would be witness to a collective heart attack. XD
Authorities seem to be twiddling their thumbs, so maybe this is somewhat paradoxically becoming pro-yo-ho.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: The OP is linking to pirated software, which is a direct violation of GOG's forum rules. There is no possible way that any users who point out this fact are "taking an L" for doing so.
1. The forum(as pointed out by user Krooked in post 67) where the content is posted is well known by the IP holders.
2. This thread has been reported several times to Gog staff, and it's still up.
Obviously, one can infer from this that both Gog and the IP holder are very likely ok with said content.
(this isn't spam reports, the likes of which get ignored sometimes by staff, but more serious accusations by some users)
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LegoDnD: Authorities seem to be twiddling their thumbs, so maybe this is somewhat paradoxically becoming pro-yo-ho.
Or perhaps, as I surmise, Gog and/or the ip holder are ok with this instance.
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In the end, it's pointless to keep shouting "this is piracy" over and over.....if anyone feels the thread and it's content/links are against the rules, they should report them via the appropriate means(PM/email to Gog).
Post edited February 08, 2024 by GamezRanker
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KetobaK: Looks interesting, worth make a copy just in case T2 attacks!
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SilentMRG: The thread has already been going on for three days, and by all indications, GOG is fine with it. And I believe Rockstar Games/Take-Two Interactive are too, as the package has been online since 2022.

A quick example here: The data for the game Soldier of Fortune was distributed by the community for years along with a fan patch (SoFplus), when Activision decided to re-release it here on GOG, if I remember correctly in 2019, they sent a C&D to the patch author asking him to unlink the game data from his patch, he did so and everything was fine. The question I have is this: Didn't Activision know all of this until 2019? Of course they knew, but they let the community take care of SOF because they weren't making any profit.

There are COMPANIES and companies, if you know what I mean. ;)
Yep, currently is an abandonware, and abandonware games have always been a grey area, they are not legit per say, but nobody has right over them so nobody is hurt and nobody can sue nobody.
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SilentMRG: The thread has already been going on for three days, and by all indications, GOG is fine with it. And I believe Rockstar Games/Take-Two Interactive are too, as the package has been online since 2022.

A quick example here: The data for the game Soldier of Fortune was distributed by the community for years along with a fan patch (SoFplus), when Activision decided to re-release it here on GOG, if I remember correctly in 2019, they sent a C&D to the patch author asking him to unlink the game data from his patch, he did so and everything was fine. The question I have is this: Didn't Activision know all of this until 2019? Of course they knew, but they let the community take care of SOF because they weren't making any profit.

There are COMPANIES and companies, if you know what I mean. ;)
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KetobaK: Yep, currently is an abandonware, and abandonware games have always been a grey area, they are not legit per say, but nobody has right over them so nobody is hurt and nobody can sue nobody.
Someone has rights over them. Often they don't care, but don't mistake ignorance or absence of active enforcement for "no one has rights."
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g2222: Imagine someone stealing your car.
And while you are still shouting and crying, the "thief" says:

"Relax bro! It's Fair Use."
Don't believe me?
Hear my arguments why taking your car is perfectly okay:

1. I'm not doing it for the money, just for fun
2. The car seemed abandoned
3. This specific type of car isn't made or sold anymore
4. Neither the car maker nor the police seem interested in pursuing this
5. This type of car was once given away "free" in a lottery --- which means they all are free now
6. In the country where I'm from, taking other people's cars isn't illegal (because everything belongs to everyone!)
7. The property laws are stupid! And they shouldn't apply to a 20 year old car!
8. I'm not interested in concepts like ownership, contracts, bureaucracy --- so neither should you be
9. What about drug dealers? They are the evil of the century.
10. Taking the car away from you is a kind of "preservation" as you would certainly damage and destroy it otherwise.
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KetobaK: Yep, currently is an abandonware, and abandonware games have always been a grey area, they are not legit per say, but nobody has right over them so nobody is hurt and nobody can sue nobody.
Bro, precisely...
Attachments:
fair_use.jpg (67 Kb)
you_get.jpg (60 Kb)
Post edited February 09, 2024 by SilentMRG
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SilentMRG: The thread has already been going on for three days, and by all indications, GOG is fine with it. And I believe Rockstar Games/Take-Two Interactive are too, as the package has been online since 2022.

A quick example here: The data for the game Soldier of Fortune was distributed by the community for years along with a fan patch (SoFplus), when Activision decided to re-release it here on GOG, if I remember correctly in 2019, they sent a C&D to the patch author asking him to unlink the game data from his patch, he did so and everything was fine. The question I have is this: Didn't Activision know all of this until 2019? Of course they knew, but they let the community take care of SOF because they weren't making any profit.

There are COMPANIES and companies, if you know what I mean. ;)
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KetobaK: Yep, currently is an abandonware, and abandonware games have always been a grey area, they are not legit per say, but nobody has right over them so nobody is hurt and nobody can sue nobody.
Abandonware is NOT a grey area, it is very clear. Abandonware is copyright infringment, in other words what is generally refered to as piracy. The way copyright infringment work is legaly it is a civil case, this means that for the police / government / autorities to interfere, it must first be filed as a complaint. the autorithy can then do an investigation, usually it will be a civil suit where the complainer must establish that there has been a copyright infringment.

So, just because the right holders do not care enough to start this process, becuase it costs time and money to do so, it does not mean that the actuall piracy is not clear. Whenever someone distribute copyright material without the concent of the right holders, then it is per definition copyright infrigment. Rockstar have never formaly given this concent, so.... and thats it.
Post edited February 09, 2024 by amok
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SilentMRG: Bro, precisely...
On the matter of fair use:

I've been creating music for 25 years now, and have been getting paid for it for 20. I've had my music used under licensing agreements, I've sold my music on hardcopies, and online. A few years ago, I made one of my projects free to download (mainly because I didn't want people going to dodgy sites to download it unofficially).

Within 2024, or 2025 at the latest, I'll be removing my stuff from online stores.

Are you suggesting that my personal, copyrighted creations are fair use?

I retain the copyright, and the right to exploit it commercially. Giving it away for free doesn't mean I'm handing over my copyrights, or the legal recognition that I'm the creator of said works. Removing them from stores online doesn't mean it's fair use.

In these 25 years, I've had handlings with contracts & dealing with lawyers. As others have said, it is evident you are way "out of your element, Donny."

On the matter of the links you posted:

It's not my copyright, so it's up to Rockstar to protect their works, and I'm definitely not gonna be doing their work for them. However, safety concerns are an issue, and that affects everyone here. Both the link you posted with its frequent updates, and the link on that unofficial Ukranian site could be seen as potential safety hazards.
Post edited February 10, 2024 by ThatGuyWithTheThing
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KetobaK: snip
Uhh, no. Paladin181 and amok are completely right. Abandonware has always been illegal at least for most of the world. Someone still owns the copyright on it somewhere and just because no one is enforcing those protections doesn't make it legally grey.
Post edited February 10, 2024 by UnashamedWeeb
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g2222: Imagine someone stealing your car.
And while you are still shouting and crying, the "thief" says:

"Relax bro! It's Fair Use."
Don't believe me?
Hear my arguments why taking your car is perfectly okay:

1. I'm not doing it for the money, just for fun
2. The car seemed abandoned
3. This specific type of car isn't made or sold anymore
4. Neither the car maker nor the police seem interested in pursuing this
5. This type of car was once given away "free" in a lottery --- which means they all are free now
6. In the country where I'm from, taking other people's cars isn't illegal (because everything belongs to everyone!)
7. The property laws are stupid! And they shouldn't apply to a 20 year old car!
8. I'm not interested in concepts like ownership, contracts, bureaucracy --- so neither should you be
9. What about drug dealers? They are the evil of the century.
10. Taking the car away from you is a kind of "preservation" as you would certainly damage and destroy it otherwise.
These are rather garbage parallels. The victim of theft is in fact not shouting and crying, despite being an over-sized corporation that can turn their tears into legalese bullets. Most of the rest would sound leagues more foolish if you could clone a car as easily as data. Since we're talking about data and not a physical item, do you see where I'm going with this? The legality lives and dies on Take2's laziness on the matter, which hasn't run out yet.
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SilentMRG: Bro, precisely...
Just wanna say that the piggy in the first pic made me chuckle :)
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To the other users repeatedly "stating the law/legalities":
feel free to report the thread here and the stuff on the other forum to GOG staff and the IP holders, and stop wasting everyone else's time with pointless and boringly drawn out paragraphs of authoritarianist virtue signaling.
Post edited February 10, 2024 by GamezRanker
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ThatGuyWithTheThing: On the matter of fair use:

I've been creating music for 25 years now, and have been getting paid for it for 20. I've had my music used under licensing agreements, I've sold my music on hardcopies, and online. A few years ago, I made one of my projects free to download (mainly because I didn't want people going to dodgy sites to download it unofficially).

Within 2024, or 2025 at the latest, I'll be removing my stuff from online stores.

Are you suggesting that my personal, copyrighted creations are fair use?

I retain the copyright, and the right to exploit it commercially. Giving it away for free doesn't mean I'm handing over my copyrights, or the legal recognition that I'm the creator of said works. Removing them from stores online doesn't mean it's fair use.

In these 25 years, I've had handlings with contracts & dealing with lawyers. As others have said, it is evident you are way "out of your element, Donny."

On the matter of the links you posted:

It's not my copyright, so it's up to Rockstar to protect their works, and I'm definitely not gonna be doing their work for them. However, safety concerns are an issue, and that affects everyone here. Both the link you posted with its frequent updates, and the link on that unofficial Ukranian site could be seen as potential safety hazards.
One thing is music... Another thing is games. You know, if I take a music file from 1997 and play it on my PC, it will just play. However, I can't do that with a PC game, as old games require countless fixes to work, no one can deny that. The idea of ​​fair use or abandonware is pure and simple preservation. No one wants to make "fair use" of a game for profit, or steal other people's intellectual property. You guys look at these concepts in the worst way possible, and it's hilarious!

And speaking specifically about your music, you know, the Internet Archive is DMCA exempt, so if someone downloaded and uploaded your music there, unfortunately you won't be able to do anything. But look on the bright side: Nobody copies the bad, and nobody preserves rubbish. So feel honored if one day you see people copying your work, because you will be sure you did a good job. In my country there is a saying that goes: "Nobody throws stones at a tree that doesn't bear fruit."

Ultimately, the preservation of games is driven by the passion for playing which, unfortunately, many of those who criticized here lost it a long time ago.

And lastly, nothing on the Internet is 100% secure. This is a concept known to everyone. If you or someone else doesn't believe in the files, don't download it, it's as simple as that. Now if the files weren't secure, many people would have already revealed it here and on the other forum, and did you think about that?! I was trying to avoid stating the obvious, but it seems that those who criticize only have one neuron in their brain.
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GamezRanker: Just wanna say that the piggy in the first pic made me chuckle :)
Oh that's the spirit! =D
Post edited February 10, 2024 by SilentMRG
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SilentMRG: One thing is music... Another thing is games. You know, if I take a music file from 1997 and play it on my PC, it will just play. However, I can't do that with a PC game, as old games require countless fixes to work, no one can deny that. The idea of ​​fair use or abandonware is pure and simple preservation. No one wants to make "fair use" of a game for profit, or steal other people's intellectual property. You guys look at these concepts in the worst way possible, and it's hilarious!

And speaking specifically about your music, you know, the Internet Archive is DMCA exempt, so if someone downloaded and uploaded your music there, unfortunately you won't be able to do anything. But look on the bright side: Nobody copies the bad, and nobody preserves rubbish. So feel honored if one day you see people copying your work, because you will be sure you did a good job. In my country there is a saying that goes: "Nobody throws stones at a tree that doesn't bear fruit."

Ultimately, the preservation of games is driven by the passion for playing which, unfortunately, many of those who criticized here lost it a long time ago.

And lastly, nothing on the Internet is 100% secure. This is a concept known to everyone. If you or someone else doesn't believe in the files, don't download it, it's as simple as that. Now if the files weren't secure, many people would have already revealed it here and on the other forum, and did you think about that?! I was trying to avoid stating the obvious, but it seems that those who criticize only have one neuron in their brain.
So, "fair use" is different for music, and different for games. And nothing is secure, so we might as well throw caution to the wind. Got it!

And I've never heard that specific Bible saying be twisted in such a warped way. Congats! This is a whole different level of asininity.

As the saying goes: "Every fool is pleased with his own folly."