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my name is grompy catte: I remember the GOG Downloader well and I still agree with Ruvika that Galaxy is better for downloading offline installers and extras than the Downloader was.
Please explain to me how and why Galaxy is even BETTER than the GOG Downloader was in regards of downloading extras and offline installers. It might be almost as good (even though it is not - see explanation below) but even better? I am really curious to see what I missed.

I used the GOG Downloader since I was registered here in 2009 until they finally dropped it. Since I never was a big fan of browser downloads myself and GOG clearly said they won't bring the Downloader back since it is "obsolete" I now use Galaxy to download my files so I know both tools pretty well and I can exactly tell you what the GOG Downloader does better - not even subjective but objective since I am talking about features Galaxy does not even have when it comes to downloading your installers.

1) GOG Downloader: Whenever you get an update for the offline installers you will get an update notification only on the web site. So all you had to do with the GOG Downloader is to launch it (which was faster than Galaxy will ever be since it was JUST a Downloader and nothing more) and let it run in the background. Now you simply went to all your updated games in your library on the web site and clicked ONE TIME to get the game queued in the GOG Downloader. When you started the queue in the end Downlaoder also tested if the version you want to download already existed in your folder to prevent unnecessary downloads.

2) GOG Galaxy: You still receive the update flags only on the web site and so after starting Galaxy (which takes longer) you will first have to find the updated games in the Galaxy library (a step not necessary when you have a direct link to the web site as the GOG Downloader had) there switch to the Extras register (additional klick) and then queue the game (same as in GOG Downloader). GOG Galaxy is only testing if there is a download in the Download folder that has been startet and should be resumed - it is NOT checking if the version yoou want to download is already in the directory ... if it is it will still download the installer again without even noticing you that the file is already there. It ends up with the stupid "!Temp" directory in the subfolder (which you would have to delete manually) since obviously Galaxy devs don't understand that you usually delete Temp files automatically when you don't need them anymore ... but that's just a small annoyance and not that important than the rest I mentioned.

So I am wondering what Galaxy (and I am only talking about archiving offline installers) can do that GOG Downloader could not do - since this is the only way how Galaxy would be "better" than the GOG Downloader .... although we still have the Galaxy disadvantages I mentioned before.
Post edited August 29, 2022 by MarkoH01
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DJM.553: The problem for some, just an idea, is not the validity of the download address, but the time it takes to download.

Since I have a fiber optic connection, downloads are more stable and faster.

Hope this help
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Timboli: I'm not entirely sure that you gave a full answer, because yes it is about the time it takes.

Lets say you have 10 files to download (one EXE and nine BIN files). You add (queue) them all to IDM one after the other, then start downloading. If they all download within the limit GOG has set (i.e. 10 minutes) then that is as expected.

However, if you only download a few before that limit occurs, then the very next file and any after will fail, and you need to get the links again. The same if you have a web connection issue after that limit and the current download stops, and won't restart again until you get a fresh link for it, and you need to tell IDM to resume using the new (refreshed) link.

So did you download well beyond the supposed 10 minute limit. In other words did any queued downloads start after that limit?

If so, then IDM must be grabbing the true download link on-the-fly, unlike FDM 5 which grabs it when each download is added, and they eventually time out when inactive.

I guess you could also maybe get around the limit by downloading multiple files at the same time. I'm not a simultaneous file downloader, as I prefer to get what I can while I can and don't like taking up too much bandwidth.
New Test:
1-I launch a .bin file download.
2-I voluntarily stop the download and shut down the PC.
3-I start the PC three hours later and ask IDM to resume the download where I had stopped it.
4-The download resumes and I limit the speed to 0.5 M octets/seconds.Usually the speed for me is 40 M octets/seconds.
5-One hour later, no link breakage, nor any need to update the download address.
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Post edited August 29, 2022 by DJM.553
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my name is grompy catte: I remember the GOG Downloader well and I still agree with Ruvika that Galaxy is better for downloading offline installers and extras than the Downloader was.
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MarkoH01: Please explain to me how and why Galaxy is even BETTER than the GOG Downloader was in regards of downloading extras and offline installers. It might be almost as good (even though it is not - see explanation below) but even better? I am really curious to see what I missed.
The downloader was prone to crashing and would do weird things if you queued up too many downloads. I have never had either of those problems with Galaxy, but YMMV. I get the impression that like the forum, the person who wrote it had left and no one knew how to update or fix it.
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MarkoH01: Please explain to me how and why Galaxy is even BETTER than the GOG Downloader was in regards of downloading extras and offline installers. It might be almost as good (even though it is not - see explanation below) but even better? I am really curious to see what I missed.
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my name is grompy catte: The downloader was prone to crashing and would do weird things if you queued up too many downloads. I have never had either of those problems with Galaxy, but YMMV. I get the impression that like the forum, the person who wrote it had left and no one knew how to update or fix it.
As you said - I never experienced any of those problems but got sometimes impossible downloads in Gaalxy (Server issue) which were fixed one or two days later ... but yes, those things are hard to use as an argument since they tend to not happen to everybody. I share your opinion that those who created the downloader are probably not available anymore but for me and others it was not broken and therefore did not need any fixing. Anyway: I have made my peace - more or less - with using Galaxy as Downloader ... I was just wondering how the Downloader could be worse than Galaxy and of course ... if I would have experienced those bugs you described I would probably say the same.
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MarkoH01: As you said - I never experienced any of those problems but got sometimes impossible downloads in Gaalxy (Server issue) which were fixed one or two days later ... but yes, those things are hard to use as an argument since they tend to not happen to everybody. I share your opinion that those who created the downloader are probably not available anymore but for me and others it was not broken and therefore did not need any fixing. Anyway: I have made my peace - more or less - with using Galaxy as Downloader ... I was just wondering how the Downloader could be worse than Galaxy and of course ... if I would have experienced those bugs you described I would probably say the same.
As an aside, I had actually abandoned the downloader a little bit before it was finally shut down. The aforementioned bugs had caused me to investigate GOGrepo.py and that is arguably better than either for the task of backup maintenance.
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(some) people are butthurt over GoG Galaxy?
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paladin181: GOGDownloader was a client. Hate to break it to you anti-client/pro-downloader folks. A download client is a client.
I'd have to disagree. The GoGDownloader was more a bulk download manager tool, it didn't do anything a 'client' would do, like show/offer you games to buy, show you achievements, manage saves, start games, etc. And if you had several games to download it was useful, but downloading 1 game with few parts it was less useful.

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zeroxxx: (some) people are butthurt over GoG Galaxy?
Maybe?

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Magmarock: The lgogdownloader is the best option for downloading games from your collection. You can find it on github.
I might just do this. After getting my NAS i seem to suddenly have a ton of space, so bulk downloading all my games/extras might be the thing to do once i get my current downloads finished.
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Magmarock: The lgogdownloader is the best option for downloading games from your collection. You can find it on github.
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rtcvb32: I might just do this. After getting my NAS i seem to suddenly have a ton of space, so bulk downloading all my games/extras might be the thing to do once i get my current downloads finished.
If you have access to a NAS or anything similar, lgogdownloader is the best option I found for unattended download of GOG installers. I did a full download once, and now only updated installers are automatically downloaded on a daily basis.

The only manual downloads I still do are the initial ones when buying a new game. Keeping in mind that with lgogdownloader even a manual download can grab all parts of the installer and the extras with a single action.
Post edited August 30, 2022 by vv221
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zeroxxx: (some) people are butthurt over GoG Galaxy?
Great and completely unnecessary comment ... how about thinking next time if you have something constructive to add before typing things that are obviously just meant to provoke?
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DJM.553: New Test:
1-I launch a .bin file download.
2-I voluntarily stop the download and shut down the PC.
3-I start the PC three hours later and ask IDM to resume the download where I had stopped it.
4-The download resumes and I limit the speed to 0.5 M octets/seconds.Usually the speed for me is 40 M octets/seconds.
5-One hour later, no link breakage, nor any need to update the download address.
Goodo, thanks for the info, good to know.

Sounds like IDM does a better job than FDM 5, in the manner I suggested, or maybe GOG have changed things again.

I guess I should get around to some testing myself, though happily gogcli.exe with my GUI, has been working well for me for some months now.
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zeroxxx: (some) people are butthurt over GoG Galaxy?
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MarkoH01: Great and completely unnecessary comment ... how about thinking next time if you have something constructive to add before typing things that are obviously just meant to provoke?
As if this thread has something constructive as a whole.

It's been years since it was first launched, either you accept or move on.
Post edited September 02, 2022 by zeroxxx
Haven't purchased here, for myself, in quite some time.

Is that Galaxy crap now necessary?

Sorry for the dumb question, but it would be nice to know in case I decided I wanted something.

Thanks.
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Dischord: Haven't purchased here, for myself, in quite some time.

Is that Galaxy crap now necessary?

Sorry for the dumb question, but it would be nice to know in case I decided I wanted something.

Thanks.
With a handful of exceptions (some of which are probably unintended, but still unfixed), no. (Unless you care about online multiplayer, in which case there are loads of exceptions.)

OP was just whining because one bed's too soft, and the other's too firm.
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HunchBluntley: OP was just whining because one bed's too soft, and the other's too firm.
The OP Has 697 hours of game time logged on GOG and 87 completed achievements on their GOG profile.

Which means...... the OP has used Galaxy for at least 697 hours.
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HunchBluntley: With a handful of exceptions (some of which are probably unintended, but still unfixed), no. (Unless you care about online multiplayer, in which case there are loads of exceptions.)

OP was just whining because one bed's too soft, and the other's too firm.
Thanks, as I have neither on my machine now, but have no interest in galaxy.