Oh, come now. There was no malicious intent behind it. ;(

Up until now I had never heard of this Hallmark; and I don't watch television, so I should be pretty fine. Should I encounter this Hallmark in the wild, though, I will remember your advice. Thanks.

Thankfully, she did. =]
And? Found anything?

You, eh, interested in switching classes Yuna-kun? There seems to be 1 empty desk now.

why's that? because town know to trust them and can be more focused? or something else i'm not thinking of?

I honestly don't care about any "bad blood" between you and Frostburn. I prefer if it's not there for both of your sakes, the game's and everyone else's but if the two of you can't get along - it is what it is. That being said I'm not and I have never asked nor wanted for it to go on. I don't know where you came with this idea that your feud is something I want to perpetuate in whatever way so I'm telling you right now that's not the case. What I have been talking about since D1 and I'm referred to in the post you quoted is the fact that you started the game cutting Frostburn slack and then you switched directions and went the other way. To you this may be NAI because you know the real reasons for your own actions but I don't and have to look for stuff that stands out. I like having you (and Frostburn) in the game but I can't say I appreciate the kind of behavior when kids on the playground go "I don't like this so I'm taking my toys and I'm going home!".

I hope this clears things up. If it doesn't and I'm somehow misunderstanding your point and am in some way offending you, please explain further so we can get it out of the way and move forward in a friendly and enjoyable manner.


Now then, @Atlo, why did you do all that inquiring and pondering over how scene handles himself only to

in the end?


@Joe, you've been in this game for a while, no? Who da scumz?

Pooka, can you share what the deadline looks like currently?

Sorry. I wasn't available at all yesterday. We have a flu going around, so family came first yesterday. Now I have a bit of time and I'll try to read a bit and write something intelligible.

@Joe: fair enough. Upon re-reading you were actually right to question me.

unvote Joe

dedoporno strangely enough disagrees with me on the point of the Mason claim. This is weird. But his 'I am ready to die on that hill' response reads very much like genuine conviction, not like scum show. It is strange to disagree with him so decidedly, since I am sure having an effective Innocent Child would be a powerful advantage, but I don't get scummy vibes from dedo.

That leaves either Scene - or a lurker. And I think Scene is our better bet.

The problem is, historically Scene's idea of 'trying to solve the game' is regularly very, very weird. Sometimes he gets some strange idea into his head and even when it is totally illogical no amount of explaining will make him see that he is wrong. That makes him very hard to read. Because it is hard to distinguish him being wrong and acting strange out of habit from being wrong intentionally to pursue a scum agenda. But he is the best lead I got so far. So, with the approaching deadline, I think here lies our best chance at getting scum.

vote Scene

So I had started typing this yesterday (or the day before ? my timeline is a bit wibbly wobbly this weekspace).

Crushed hopes, confusion, anxiety and mild irritation.

Unless you meant in the game. In which case : crushed hopes, confusion, anxiety and mild irritation.

Plus a "disagreement on strategy" and "disagreement on opinion" which, in my view, mask a disagreement on objectives. But I also needed to verify an additional element which, apparently, I was wrong about. Nevermind.

Still, he did nat hit her he did nat (oh hallmark).

Aaanyway.

I could conceive that some random player (especially a beginner) could underestimate the importance of, uh, determining an affiliation in a game about determining affiliations. But when it goes beyond that, it's scumwork. Like a wagon, driven by a locomotive, either on the forum and/or in the scumchat. The very point and complexity of forum mafia (and, okay, collective life in general) is how "accidental" and "deliberate" errors can be hard to tell apart. So I don't know who exactly plays pretend. But as I said, all the band that downplays the power role of self-certification is suspect to me, and if there are honest mistakes in it, I also think that it's where deliberately misleading people hide.

But now that we are today. A wagon forms on Scene. I'd have been fully on that yesterday, I now suffer from longterm frostburn syndrome, fearing that too scummy to be scummy isn't scummy enough, and that vocal players infight benefits shadow mafia. Which leads to an absurd position : if scumtell isn't scumtell then what is scumtell (the reason why I first suspected Cat of shielding/buddying with Frost with that rhetoric leading to an absolute gameplay deadend). I have to overcome it, I guess.

On Scene, I have old stuff. I have his position towards Frost, which I had found super scummy : he was so much protecting Frost and justifying Frost's over-interpretation of Joe's vote, and then he was even voting against me, judging that my read of Frost's interpretation as scummy was more scummy than Frost's interpretation... all with shifting goal posts (fist saying that I was reading too much into Frost's vote because it was obviously a non-serious joke and then that I was reading too much into Frost's vote because it was obviously a very serious honest mistake. So, I classified Scene as scum. But then, bam, Frost innocent. So... Scene was right ? But again, how, and how how much (my old theory that one had to know Frost's affiliation in order to not suspect him, theory nuanced by the, well, aforementioned longterm frostburn syndrom, already contracted by some current players from previous games with Frost). And, scumknowing, would he have diverted the wagon towards me to protect, that early, the crazy frost asset ? So... I'm not certain about this part anymore.

But then, today. The fight against mason reveal. It's an avalanche of dubious justification, that seem to shift with mafia opportunities (I briliantly described them in post 344, and by brilliantly I mean oh that would be SO badass if it all turned out true - and so cringe otherwise). I was also surprised by the sudden "don't harp on me because I'm just a noob so of course what I'm saying to absurd, also I 100% stand behind what I'm saying by the way" (post 291).

And, checking notes, the Frost end of wagon. As I had said, I'm suspicious of the late, weakly motivated comers to the frostwagon. Scene first saw Frost's erratic behavior not as scummy but as "probably town", and (post 170) "all over the place" then pre-hammered (219, L-2 to L-1). Again, can be some vaguely LAMIST participation to a mislynch, or a no lynch concern. But I have more trust for those who really saw Frost as scummy for a long time and voted for that.

So, that's the colorful story of SupplementScene. After Frost, I find it a tad too colorful (though it's a reflex that I reproached to day1 players as conductive to paradoxical scumtell inversions), and I'm more scared of players who stayed more dull and discrete (like Joe and his non-committal posts, or Dedo, who doesn't have a strong history of scuminess but could strongly illustrate mafia's mason-related "damage control" reaction, or... well, to be fair, my notes list 8 absolutely certain mafia players and 1 merely very probable one).

We thankully have a bit of time ahead. I need a couple of alternative re-reads.

Currently my most townie reads are csanjuro and catte but I have to re-check visibility bias. That is, we'd need stats on posting and especially on actual-content-posting.

Generally having a kneejerk reaction to putting the first vote on a wagon(especially the target of such vote) is definitely more of scum tendency, you spend the whole game spinning a lie so the moment someone calls you out its either time to double down or backtrack. I would argue this speaks to Lifts townness that he ignored the vote itself and just responded to Scenes PR bait.

On to scene themself, as I said before I find the wanting to lynch lurkers as NAI. The wanting for the cop to claim does seem a bit scummy, but after the frost debacle I'm a little more hesitant to vote at this moment just based on that.

Csan to me looked to be town as with mafia having daychat the rest of the team should have been able to guide them into more productive posts, unless of course they were just completely checked out and didn't bother with it.

Joe is always hard to pin down for me on either side even when he's actively posting. Taking his word for the reason for limited posting I'm NAI on him.

Catventurer was mostly involved in the Mason reveal discussion today as well as being more aggressive towards Scene being lurk-lynch happy. I'm not fully in agreement with that last point but I read it as trying to solve the game just with a different perspective.

Atlo is inquisitive and asking veteran players on their opinions on others' actions based on past games. This could either be a town that knows they are new to the community and using the resources they have to make an informed desicion, or a scum that just wants to gauge the reaction of the group before making their next calculated move. Im feeling more town side for now.

Catte so far I'm NAI/town on. Scum!catte I do believe would have jumped on the Scene wagon by now.

Dedo's original hesitancy for us to hammer Frost d1 and then pulling the gotcha on me in the very late hours I feel could have gone either way with the truth being told based on what frost flipped. With a frost town flip Dedo is pretty town looking from me.

Telika seems to be painting scum with a broad brush but using the anti-Mason claimers as being all targets of scrutiny. They have been a big proponent of getting the game day extended which obviously helps town, but a scum who believes in a fair game for all could also grandstand on this for some good townie points.

I THINK that was everyone. This took forever to do on mobile so hopefully no one made any massive slipups in the meantime.

Natsume-sensei violently woke out of her surprise doze, again. So far, nothing super interesting. Just some girls ganging up on Sayaka. Poor little one.

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VOTECOUNT:
supplementscene (3) - Catventurer (#347), Atlo (#364), Liftraisal? (#382)
Liftraisal? (2) - supplementscene (#279), JoeSapphire (#319)
dedoporno (1) - Telika (#335)

Not voting: catte, csanjuro, dedoporno, bucktoothgamer
Closest to lynch is supplementscene, at L-3.

In case there's any errors in the votecount, please let me know.

Day 2 now ends on 6th November, 6PM UTC+1 (London time) unless it's necessary to re-extend.

For those asking, yeah, the replacement thing is not going well. You have seen the last post in the forum mafia admin thread, no takers since then. Ugh.

Cat, I have a question.

I'm doing a re-read focused on your posts. And there's one thing I didn't understand. You seem(ed) convinced that either me or Lifth are scum. I can understand half of this conviction (I strongly "attacked" Lifth's help post, so if I am scum, I'm more likely to target a townie than to be playing a distancing game) and I kinda understand your bias (I dared scrutinize even a help post for scum slips, that's blasphematory like stopping a Red Cross truck in a war zone, instantly makes me the bad guy), but were you implying that if I'm town, Lifth is scum ? I didn't get your background for this assumption.

Right so my wagon is leading and as it stands I am getting lynched or we get no lynch. I'm Town Bodyguard, which is partly why I wanted to know who the Cop was, as ofcourse I have the power to stop him being lynched. If I do get lynched and I flip Town Bodyguard occurs I would request my number 1 scum scent of Liftrasil gets lynched on Day 3. I'm claiming early because I don't think the role is that important to town and we can also discuss who to protect if I don't get lynched. I think the absent csanjuro is probably the remaining Mason

Either basic reading comprehension eludes you or you're trying to twist words as a Scum. If you are Town can you correct your bullshit accusation you've made because of your poor reading comprehension please? I've highlighted the quote and the incorrect interpretation of the quote.

As for not solving the game. In terms of wordcount, I'm probably second or third on my analysis of players. So you're absolutely lying on that front.

So those are 2 untruths right there Cat. I did think you were Town and going back to look at old posts looks Town but maybe you're just twisting those posts. Hard to say

You see, this makes you look all the more Scummy. Because before you accused me of rolefishing, not once but twice. That would imply you find it very likely that I'm Scum. Not that you're in 2 minds or conflicted about it. But in this post you try to sound conflicted and implying that you find me hard to read. That's not a consistent read and I think you're only doing this as a get out or saying 'well I wasn't sure' when I flip Town. But you've already implied you're very sure I'm Scum. This seems extremely disengenous and hence Scummy.

Thanks for reminding me...


unvote

Some time passed since Haru got admitted to the infirmary. When she wasn't being checked by the nurse, she was reading the novel she brought with her. A wholesome story called Japan Sinks.

Suddenly, the book fell out of her hand and onto the ground, and she froze on the spot for a few seconds. That's what appeared to the nurse. But deep inside Haru's mind, something else happened.

Hundreds of tiny, green islands dotted the scene of a blue sea. Each one of them had a clone of Haru firing off insults at other clones of Haru.

"You're the reason why I suck!"
"Oh my god you suck!"
"Fuck you!"
"Bitch, I don't swear, unlike you!"
"You just cursed!"

...and so on and so forth.

Things changed rapidly, when one of the Harus stepped outside the boundaries of her island, crossed the water effortlessly, and smacked another Haru - disintegrating the latter into dust. The remainder of Harus quickly piled up on each other, hitting themselves into oblivion until only one stayed.

"I AM the real Haru!"

The nurse picked up the book that fell out of Haru's hand. "Akemi-san, what happened?"

Haru looked back at the nurse with a smile. "Nothing, I'm fine now. Sorry, I tend to space out like that."

"Seriously?" The nurse raised an eyebrow.

"Yeah," Haru sighed. "Didn't mean to scare you or Natsume-sensei. Oh right, I better tell her about this!"

Haru very quickly lifted herself up the patient bed, grabbed her book, and ran out.

"Hey, wait!" The nurse shouted to no avail.

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yogsloth has substituted csanjuro!

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VOTECOUNT:
supplementscene (2) - Atlo (#364), Liftraisal? (#382)
Liftraisal? (2) - supplementscene (#279), JoeSapphire (#319)
dedoporno (1) - Telika (#335)

Not voting: catte, yogsloth, dedoporno, bucktoothgamer
Closest to lynch is supplementscene, at L-4.

In case there's any errors in the votecount, please let me know.

Day 2 now ends on 6th November, 6PM UTC+1 (London time) unless it's necessary to re-extend.

Protects from a lynch or a NK? Wasn't sure if typo or not.

I personally buy this. Part of me thought there was a chance the pushing for cop claim was you being a doctor, but similar outcome I guess.

Also welcome and thank you Yogsloth for coming to the rescue!