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ZFR: So Mafia!ZFR would find out you made a misread and presumably deduce you had a PR, and instead of quietly communicating it to his buddies (Day if they have Daychat, or Night), he'd publicly announce it to everyone, only to quickly after that say you're probably Town and remove the vote...
Newbie protection, as you said. You wanted to make sure before you NKed me.


You still haven't responded about the two conflicting reasons you gave for questioning me.
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dedoporno: Phew! I was just going to point out that to every "Columbo" side of a coin there is also that "fucking dumbass" other side but I'm glad I won't have to do it :) Thanks for sharing your suspicion, it's interesting and sounds reasonable enough to keep in mind just in case.
Don't forget about maxleod.
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Lifthrasil: The sun moves another step across the painted, starry sky. From Somewhere the sound of heavy motorcycles racing by can be heard. But as much as Ben tries to, no motorcycle apart from the empty one can be seen. The sound dies away and only the monkeys can be heard chittering. Somewhere, unseen and unheard, a tree that has all the colours falls over. But no one notices.

3rd vote count

ZFR 2 - catte, frostburn
Catte 1 - bucktooth
Dedo 2 - joe, rware
Ambitionz 1 - babark
Rware 1 - Cephy

I hope I got everything right. I'm on mobile currently. That makes things complicated.
LordCephy unvoted RWarehall in post #101



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dedoporno: I know Babark from somewhere but I can't remember from where. I've definitely seen him in the forums but since my exposure to the GOG forums is almost exclusively limited to the Mafia family of threads I'm not sure if it was in a game here, some of the Secret Santa threads or way, way back when I was hosting those 20Q games.

What I'm trying to understand is if Babark is a returning user to GOG Mafia or is he considered a newbie.
He's played here before, don't remember in how many games or if he has played elsewhere as well.


Off to catch up.
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ZFR: So Mafia!ZFR would find out you made a misread and presumably deduce you had a PR, and instead of quietly communicating it to his buddies (Day if they have Daychat, or Night), he'd publicly announce it to everyone, only to quickly after that say you're probably Town and remove the vote...
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FrostburnPhoenix: Newbie protection, as you said. You wanted to make sure before you NKed me.
So? why bring it all up in public, instead of "making sure before I NKed you" with my scumbuddies?


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FrostburnPhoenix: You still haven't responded about the two conflicting reasons you gave for questioning me.
I don't understand you, can you clarify what conflict you see?

I was reading through posts, thought I found something but it eluded me. I went through them again trying to catch and that's when your first and second posts caught my attention. So I questioned you.

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ZFR: A slip that all (three) Mafiosi have roles.
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JoeSapphire: Why'd you put the 'three' in brackets?
I explained why only 3 Mafiosi would make sense, if there was a slip.
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ZFR: I don't understand you, can you clarify what conflict you see?
Post #148
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Lifthrasil: The sun moves another step across the painted, starry sky. From Somewhere the sound of heavy motorcycles racing by can be heard. But as much as Ben tries to, no motorcycle apart from the empty one can be seen. The sound dies away and only the monkeys can be heard chittering. Somewhere, unseen and unheard, a tree that has all the colours falls over. But no one notices.

3rd vote count

ZFR 2 - catte, frostburn
Catte 1 - bucktooth
Dedo 2 - joe, rware
Ambitionz 1 - babark
Rware 1 - Cephy

I hope I got everything right. I'm on mobile currently. That makes things complicated.
I withdrew my vote. I'm not voting. You can't make me.
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ZFR: I don't understand you, can you clarify what conflict you see?
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FrostburnPhoenix: Post #148
Yes, I read that. Can you clarify what conflict you see?

Here is what happened:

I was reading through posts, thought I found something but it eluded me. I went through them again trying to catch and that's when your first and second posts caught my attention. So I questioned you.
So where is the confilict? Am I missing something?
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ZFR: [...] Ambitionz joined the game extremely late, after Lift already asked joppo to check his setup for balance. And what best way to add a player to an already balanced setup? Make him a survivor or similar.[...]
*looks at dropped out maxleod*


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ZFR: [...]

So Mafia!ZFR would find out you made a misread and presumably deduce you had a PR, and instead of quietly communicating it to his buddies (Day if they have Daychat, or Night), he'd publicly announce it to everyone, only to quickly after that say you're probably Town and remove the vote... [...]
By the same logic, why wouldn't mafia!FrostburnPoenix discuss his ideas/theory about role-madness with his buddies (during D1 if the have day-chat, else N1) instead of commenting on it in-thread and spilling that all of them have PRs in the process, only to quickly try to take it back with a measly "I misread"?


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ZFR: [...] even regardless of your alignment, you'd make a terrible lynch toDay (especially being reinforced with your newbie protection).
Why would they make a terrible D1 lunch if they were caught mafia? And why would the newbie protection be a factor in that case?



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Ambiti0nZ: I just re-read the exchange. I am satisfied with the outcome.
Your initial comment was that you wanted to hear dedoporno's answer, so - why did you want to hear it, what about it is satisfying to you, and what does it tell you about dedoporno?



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bucktoothgamer: [...] Now on to the game itself: Where has Babark been? if I hadn't re-read through the 1st page I would have missed his one post.
What made you reread through the first page?



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RWarehall: [...] Day 1 sucks. No one knows anything. [...]
No one?



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babark: [...] I have no connection to the Revolutionary Military Soviet, but I switched my vote so that there wouldn't be 2 on Dash.
*cough cough*

You're not paying any attention to the game, are you?



*reads through LordCephy's and Ambiti0nZ's exchanges about cephalopods*
@LordCephy and @Ambiti0nZ - forgive me if I missed it, could either of you elaborate a bit how that discussion moves the game state forward?
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FrostburnPhoenix: Don't forget about maxleod.
What about him?


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HypersomniacLive: *looks at dropped out maxleod*
Oh, I see now. Maxleod has been substituted by Ambiti0nZ rather than Ambiti0nZ joining in surprisingly on a game that was already considered full? I haven't followed the sign-up closely so this bit eluded me. Effectively Ambiti0nZ's participation shouldn't have changed anything and ZFR's theory doesn't really hold water. Still, the fact that he went out of his way to form it should be saying something. I'm not sure it's automatically AI but I can't see what purpose it would serve for scum!ZFR.


@Ambiti0nZ, would you mind if I call you AZ from now on? I don't want to botch your name but I'll definitely forget how you spell it eventually and I am too lazy to look it up every time.
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HypersomniacLive: By the same logic, why wouldn't mafia!FrostburnPoenix discuss his ideas/theory about role-madness with his buddies (during D1 if the have day-chat, else N1) instead of commenting on it in-thread and spilling that all of them have PRs in the process, only to quickly try to take it back with a measly "I misread"?
@ZFR Please answer HSL's question above as well as explain how post #105 does not conflict with your current story regarding why you were questioning me.
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HypersomniacLive: *looks at dropped out maxleod*
Yeah, I completely missed that...

(If I am right, bragging rights still stand. Wrong reasons notwithstanding).

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HypersomniacLive: By the same logic, why wouldn't mafia!FrostburnPoenix discuss his ideas/theory about role-madness with his buddies (during D1 if the have day-chat, else N1) instead of commenting on it in-thread and spilling that all of them have PRs in the process, only to quickly try to take it back with a measly "I misread"?
I guess. I still find it more likely that a Mafioso would make a public slip post about something that relates to the state of the whole game, than making such a public post having found one particular player with a PR. But you have a point.


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HypersomniacLive: Why would they make a terrible D1 lunch if they were caught mafia? And why would the newbie protection be a factor in that case?
If they were 100% confirmed Mafioso, then sure, I'd lynch them newbie protection or not. But given the current situation of a claimed PR they would make a terrible lynch today. If Frost is Town, Mafia will have to do something about him at Night, or risk his PR interfering with them. If he's Mafia, the longer he survives the more difficult it will be for him not to be sus (e.g. if he claims an investigative role, he'd have to create fake results). Regardless, we're much better off leaving him off the lynch toDay and see what happens Tomorrow or the Day after.



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HypersomniacLive: *reads through LordCephy's and Ambiti0nZ's exchanges about cephalopods*
@LordCephy and @Ambiti0nZ - forgive me if I missed it, could either of you elaborate a bit how that discussion moves the game state forward?
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FrostburnPhoenix: as well as explain how post #105 does not conflict with your current story regarding why you were questioning me.
I. Don't. See. Any. Conflict.

Seriouly, can you clarify what conflict you see? I've repeated this 3 times already. it's getting annoying.
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FrostburnPhoenix: as well as explain how post #105 does not conflict with your current story regarding why you were questioning me.
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ZFR: I. Don't. See. Any. Conflict.

Seriouly, can you clarify what conflict you see? I've repeated this 3 times already. it's getting annoying.
Post #105 and post #128 seem to give different reasons for questioning me. Rereading it, there might not have been a conflict, but I pressed the matter because you seemed to be avoiding it.
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HypersomniacLive: *reads through LordCephy's and Ambiti0nZ's exchanges about cephalopods*
@LordCephy and @Ambiti0nZ - forgive me if I missed it, could either of you elaborate a bit how that discussion moves the game state forward?
Don't be mad at Ambiti0nZ! He was just being nice and talking to me while everyone else was having what looked like a private conversation. I haven't understood most of what's been said here, and I'm fine with letting people talk around me if they're having a private conversation.

Only late yesterday, did someone give me a link to all the acronyms being used. Until then I didn't know if PR meant Puerto Rico, Press Release, Public Relations, Parental Responsibility, Public Radio, Punk Rock or something else. (I'm totally serious.) So every time I saw PR, I just assumed it was some private conversation.