Depends on who the scum team are, I guess.

Jokes aside, it is still possible that the scum team won't play as wisely as you predict, for one reason or another.

And see, this is why we(if yer town) should "team up".....you are strong in stats but seem to be weak in gut feelings, whereas I am around the opposite. We'd be the perfect team to defeat the scum. :)

NL would likely make it easier for ALL town players to find scum...is what I meant...not just yourself. The NK could eliminate someone from some other town player's suspect list, for example, making it easier for them to decide who to vote for on D5.

Wow. OK, let me also weigh in a bit here as I have been thinking about it during the day and see you guys are getting into a fight which seems to me like a silly distraction.

I'm down to vote NL not because I have any delusions that one of nmillar or Lift will magically go away and make the task at hand easier. The only potentially useful bit in that would be to see who the target is as that may be used to deduce who that killer was. And even that is a reach as the target can be chosen based on a number of reasons - to remove an active threat, to secure a useful vote for the endgame or simply to spread more doubt and WIFOM.

ZFR is correct, at least for me personally, when it comes to the narrower pool of suspects. That's not happening. One has to be a complete idiot to NK one of the two most, if not only, viable wagons considering at least one of them is guaranteed to be Town.


If you truly believe there is a world where this is possible you are just naive. Sorry not sorry.


For me personally the vote decision for the game is basically locked between nmillar and Lift as one of them has to be it. It's not ZFR and I honestly can't see GH pulling that off (no offense GH, it's just that your game is the usual amount of "unorthodox" and I don't see that as a winning scum play). I suppose it's possible that it's Pooka but if it's him he can take it as far as I'm concerned as it would be a well deserved victory.

To be perfectly honest I considered suggesting we just lynch both nmillar / Lift in whatever order as we have a free shot but that's kind of harsh as it's effectively reducing people to numbers.

Anyway, that's where I stand. I'm actually annoyed that this argument popped up out of nowhere like that as it has already created a gap between the two of you which only makes the job easier for scum, assuming they're elsewhere.

Another annoyance of NL that I realized exists is that the kill may actually break up "grouped" Townies that were going to vote together correctly if they were left to do so which again might make things harder for us and easier for the scum.


That's all I have to say on the matter.

So? Who's stopping them from voting NL?

Not fight bruh....just a bit of debate among colleagues. :)

You make a good point here....well said.

And if they don't NK one of Nmilllar or Lift, we can still pick one of them(or someone else) on D5, correct?

As others told me earlier: what's the rush? :)

Plus there's the facts that: I pushed for and helped lynch Joppo, and didn't hammer Nmillar when I could today(d4).

Yeah, a scum!me might have done one of them...but not both.

(of course take the above with the usual nugget of sodium)

What if it's neither one of them, and it's someone else like ZFR or Pooka? Would we still be able to win if we lynched both of them?

(I am guessing no, but want to make sure)

And if a NL happens and helps town win because of my actions(including the back and forth with ZFR) then i'll be happy.
(a lot happier than if I voted someone, we chose wrong, and it handed scum the game somehow)

Trust the plan, man...trust the plan.

(also don't you find it "odd" that ZFR is seemingly now trying to push a vote through, and has kept hesitating to enact his "one NL helps town" plan? He seemingly keeps putting it off and off, I mean)

Facepalm.

As we all know from the OP, and as you said or inferred, not voting or voting a certain way is effectively a NL.

So in effect, anyone not voting the highest wagon is(more or less) contributing to the NL vote.

As such, some could choose to not vote and they'd effectively be voting for nolynch already.

++++

Note to ALL: Ya know what, there is ONE person i'd be ok with voting(mainly due to the odd suspicious seeming wording of their recent posts and their recent actions in the game): ZFR

He pushed for the one NL from D1, and has kept putting it off or hesitating, and is now setting off all sorts of alarm bells for me.

So if everyone wants, we can start a ZFR wagon...heck, i'd even be the hammer. And if by some small chance ZFR is town, y'all can feel free to lynch me on D5 if y'all want.

Or we can go with NL and see who makes it to D5....either way sounds good to me.

I'll use that bump as there is another thing that I though about but forgot to mention in the post above.

The statistical usefulness of the NL only makes sense on average where every wagon is equally viable and there aren't established biases. This is no longer the case - we are not just looking at numbers anymore, there is information gathered throughout the game and the possibilities are already narrowed down so the statistics no longer apply in the same way as they did early on when we had nothing to go on.

ZFR, correct me if I'm wrong.


Sorry, you're knocking on the wrong door for this as I our playstyles differ way too much for me to rely on your point of view. I apologize if this sounds offensive as I don't mean that, I just want to make myself clear. "If I'm wrong you can join nmillar in kicking my ass" is not an appealing silver lining for me, personally.


Not really as I get where he's coming from. I explained what I'll be looking at if we do decide to NL but the reliability of that is questionable. And the statistics that "mattered" early on no longer apply as such.

Are you saying you don't trust the plan of ZFR? Because one NL for the game was ZFR's plan to begin with. :)

Good point on not hammering nmillar. As for voting Joppo ZFR is the onle one I give credit.

I said I'm not trusting your view of the plan as you are stuck on statistics that no longer apply (as I read that as an invitation to trust your reasoning). I already explained my view on NL in this situation and that I'm down to do it but am not counting on it a whole lot.

Precisely. I've already written about an extreme example case where one of the players is an Innocent Child, in which case NL gives no advantage whatsoever. The same can also happen conversely, if one player is a "guilty child" (e.g. Investigated by a confirmed Cop).

I just realized it's not a good point as we aren't at MYLO. Quick-hammering doesn't win the game Today so people taking their time to seal a lynch isn't automatically AI (unless the lynchee is scum in which case it is AI but it doesn't matter).

OK. Here I am. As expected on mobile since there is no net in the new flat yet. But I see that nothing much has happened.

Is there anything else to discuss?

Waiting on Pooka.

I want to hear from Pooka. Other than that I said my peace.

I missed an entire page. Mobile only loaded a cached version, it seems.