okay, I'm ready to play again, sorry for being so absent...








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At Joppo was a good lead after all.


I actually also thought you were the first one to bring it up and I know you pushed him from the start which is reassuring.

I also think he is the most likely candidate as he has been pushing left and right from the start pretty much and I think he took part in every lynch so far. But thinking about it, isn't that a bit too aggressive for this type of game?

#615 doesn't sound like caught scum trying to wiggle out. He pretty much agrees it doesn't look good for him and we can afford to policy lynch him. Then again, as Lift himself points out, he would say that to save himself.

I'm down to NL right now but I agree it's pretty much given that it won't solve this particular situation so the free shot should be used to try and end the game right now or to remove the question mark.

Before doing any of that I'd like to hear nmillar's thoughts on everything. And GH's I guess but I have some basic idea on who he suspects the most from before. Still, please do share.

I forgot to add that another one of the non-Trent lynchers was killed so I'm pretty sure our final scum was on that wagon.

Yup I agree. My quick vote was kind of a bait trying to gauge his reaction. I expected him to go after me, but he didn't. Then again Lift is a good player who'd know this kind of reaction makes him more Towny...

However there is another thing that speaks against Lift being the scum. Why was Joe NKed? Joe would have been a good person toDay to go after, since he created the Microwagon in the first place. To be honest, I expected you to be the NK victim, if not you then myself.

So who would go after Joe? Of course there is Lift himself, WIFOM and everything. But...

There is another person who might have thought it a good idea to kill Joe.
D3 started with me Town-reading Joe with a hypothesis and you agreeing with it. If someone wasn't paying a lot of attention on D1 and D2, and only started paying attention D3, he might have thought "oho! So Joe is the person whom everyone Town-reads, is he?"
Now that person wouldn't know that dedo and ZFR are going to strongly be Town-read for going after joppo, because that person wasn't following dedo+ZFRvsJoppo interactions on D2...

... and there is a person who admitted to just that:

nmillar. He thought the only reason for going for joppo is early hammer. He completely missed the points you and I made against him.
And, seeing my hypothesis and your support of it, he'd think Joe is a much better target.

With that in mind, my scum-read of nmillar has gone up. I'm willing to switch to nmillar instead of Lift toDay.

Really? I don't oppose the nmillar possibility in general as I think it's most likely either Lift or him but this looks a bit like ordering the facts to match the theory.

Anyway, let's hear what everyone else including nmillar have to say.

Also, are you sure you don't want to NL before shooting? I actually kind of do now.

Maybe. It's still a nice hypothesis.

What are your own thoughts on why Joe was killed, and why not me or yourself?

I have no idea. He didn't post at all Yesterday (well, he did but he really didn't) and him shifting Joppo's wagon towards Micro, even though a bad Town play actually made him look better because of it. I think it might be what I wrote earlier. The last remaining people who didn't take part in Trent's lynch were Pooka and Joe. If the final scum was on that wagon I figure they'd like to hide among as many others as possible. And out of Joe and Pooka the former was closer to the Town side of things for sure so I guess the better one to take out. If it's not that I don't know.

Something else - at the time nmillar came on D3 it was pretty much settled that Joppo was getting voted out. Why didn't he [nmillar] bus his supposed buddy instead of being vocal with his unsureness (is that a word?) of said wagon?

That's actually a good point.

Town points to nmillar.

Okay, I've just gone through the official vote count posts, and Joppo only ever cast a vote on 2 different people:

Microfish
bucktoothgamer

People who have voted for Joppo at any point are:

ZFR
dedoporno
bucktoothgamer
Pookina
GymHenson
Lifthrasil

There is only 1 person still alive, that has never voted for Joppo:

nmillar

Well, that wasn't exactly what I was hoping to find ...

Actually, I have a theory. Joppo's scum buddy has realised that the lynch has become inevitable, so has added their vote fairly late on. I think it's between Lifthrasil and dedoporno, as pookina and GymHenson voted early on, and I don't think ZFR would hammer a scum buddy at this stage, especially within 6 posts of the penultimate vote.

Of the above, Lifthrasil's vote came very quickly after GymHenson's vote, so could possibly be thrown in with the early adopters list, so I'll go with the one remaining person.

Vote dedoporno

And why was joppo's wagon on D3 made in the first place? It suddenly appeared out of the blue just like that?

D3 joppo wagon was a continuation of D2 joppo wagon, the foundations of which were laid by dedo himself.

(pssst, dedo, do you see now how my hypothesis about nmillar being the person who'd not NK you does hold some water?)

That's a good point, and I was basing my reasoning entirely on the D3 wagon.

So, D2 wagon was:

Joppo 5 - ZFR (#359), dedoporno (#382), bucktoothgamer (#399), pookina (#410), GymHenson (#430)

And, D3 wagon was:

joppo 5 - pookina (#515), GymHenson (#527), Lifthrasil (#528), dedoporno (#590), ZFR (#596)

So, Lift was the only one on the ultimately successful wagon that wasn't on the D2 wagon.

Unvote dedoporno

Tbh I still suspect Lift somewhat(due to things like their seeming hesitance for us to hammer Joppo on D3, for one thing)......among others, of course.

That said, i'd rather we wait a "day" so we have a narrower player pool to choose correctly from, and will more likely choose NL for D3 than any player......but we will see(going to read and reply to other posts before making an official vote).

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(Bump boomp needed)

So I guess the guy who had been pushing hard for a Joppo lynch for near two "days" isn't worthy of such an award? o.0

Oh, ok then. :|

Because I guess you assume that, if I were scum, i'd toss Joppo under the figurative bus and try to solo the game? Thanks for the sorta pseudo compliment in my improved skills(as a player in general), I guess. :)

If a NK happens, which is near always the case every "night", then the pool of all players will get smaller.

Also fwiw i'd like to question this seeming reluctance to go through with the plan you yourself put forth on D1. I mean, the game won't be a long one....i.e. we don't likely have many "days" to do a NL on. How long do you want to put it off, then?

You seem to be forgetting that scum often go after low info NK choices..,,and Joe hadn't been posting much to the game.

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(Boomp Plz)