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trentonlf: And what are your thoughts on ZFR, blotunga, and GH?
I have reasons to believe blotunga is both scum and town, so I'll my thoughts on that for now until I have more observations.

ZFR and GH are going hard on each other but years have thought me something: When 2 people disagree, that doesn't mean that one of them is good and the other one is bad. So far, they both seem town to me. Of course, I can be wrong, for both of them.

Silent ones also draw suspicion and I know I am one of them. But of course, with 350 posts to read, they could be just like me, spending most of their time reading :)

Bess suddenly gets distracted by a lovely magazine cover on the floor
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trentonlf: I’m always suspicious of anyone that keeps wanting to talk about or mention roles, even in a semi open setup. I loathe tile discussion.
1. In case you hadn't noticed, i'm not like usual standard players. 2. I'm talking about myself, and I feel doing so might help more than hinder or harm town. 3. I assume you meant role discussion and that was a typo, correct?

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@ZFR-Post 370: I'd like to know your feelings on the whole role mentioning I did.....was that why you unvoted or something else?

Also could ya maybe name your top 3 most viable lynch choices atm as well?

It would help me and others(them more than me, as many are better at this game than me in some ways) if you could oblige.
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JoeSapphire: <snip>
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flubbucket: HeIy JoeSapphire.

Is it your intention to Vote: No Lynch??
oh yeah, thanks I forgot I did that

unvote microfish
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GymHenson: 1. In case you hadn't noticed, i'm not like usual standard players. 2. I'm talking about myself, and I feel doing so might help more than hinder or harm town. 3. I assume you meant role discussion and that was a typo, correct?
Yes it was a typo, I fat fingered it on my phone. You are definitely not like the standard player, but that's a good thing. We need the difference during the game. Unless you have a role that can directly harm Town, like a Paranoid Gun Owner for example, there's no reason to divulge it.
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Engerek01: I have reasons to believe blotunga is both scum and town, so I'll my thoughts on that for now until I have more observations.
When you do get time, i'd appreciate to know the top 3 you'd be most likely to vote for, if it's not asking too much....or even top 2. :)

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Engerek01: Silent ones also draw suspicion and I know I am one of them. But of course, with 350 posts to read, they could be just like me, spending most of their time reading :)
Feel free to ask people questions on post bits that stand out to you, and skim a bit to save time if need be.

Also I commend ya for sticking with the game.....bravo to you. :)

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Engerek01: Bess suddenly gets distracted by a lovely magazine cover on the floor
o.0

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@Joe:

Glad to see ya back....when you have time(after catching up) if you could also list your top 2-3 viable lynch choices i'd appreciate it. :)
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trentonlf: Yes it was a typo, I fat fingered it on my phone. You are definitely not like the standard player, but that's a good thing. We need the difference during the game. Unless you have a role that can directly harm Town, like a Paranoid Gun Owner for example, there's no reason to divulge it.
Well if revealing it could help town and hiding it might harm town simply through the act of keeping it hidden?

(Also sorry for discussing it so much....I know you said you dislike such talk and whatnot)
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GymHenson: Well if revealing it could help town and hiding it might harm town simply through the act of keeping it hidden?

(Also sorry for discussing it so much....I know you said you dislike such talk and whatnot)
Let's say NO and move on, I don't think anyone should be revealing roles.

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ZFR: Unvote
Meant to ask you when I saw this, why did you Unvote?
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ZFR: Unvote
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trentonlf: Meant to ask you when I saw this, why did you Unvote?
I need a reread with a clear mind.

(This is where you reply "ah, makes sense" and flub gets excited again about us kissing)
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ZFR: I need a reread with a clear mind.
When you do, i'd appreciate your input on what I asked Trent in the last post I made.
(I asked him and he replied, but i'd like everyone's input...even if I am just half-seriously thinking of possibilities for the future at this point)
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ZFR: I need a reread with a clear mind.
Oh... This is perfectly reasonable!
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ZFR: I need a reread with a clear mind.
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dedoporno: Oh... This is perfectly reasonable!
As long as he makes sure to take a lantern while he reads through the past pages.....lest a wandering grue come upon him. o.0
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ZFR: ...
Sorry. Sorry because you just came back to playing Mafia and you were lynched early last game.
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Hunter65536: Wait, isn't this the kind of thing you say when hammering someone? Blotunga isn't anywhere close to that so this seems too early and little weird.
bit weak isn't it?

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JoeSapphire: is that a little naive of you perhaps?
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GymHenson: So you'd like to be voted then? o.0
it wasn't bothering me too much. And I'm not sure what I did to earn so much bucktooth trust


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Hunter65536:
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blotunga: It feels like he's regretting drawing attention to me. I think I can do a good enough job of that myself. And yes, my vote is part OMGUS. Also maybe I don't completely beleive when he said that he saw me leaning town at the pooka vote/unvote thing, he just slowly started to build a case against me, waiting for me to make some mistake that he can hang on to.
this doesn't really seem like a description of zfr's behaviour

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ZFR: (I felt strongly about it yesterday I thought there was a good chance it will lead to a lynch).
how do you feel about it now? your feelings changed? why?

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Pookina:
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blotunga: Et tu Brute?
Why is it that every game I play in, I get a lot of attention =))
bargh.
if you were mafia would you feel the same way you do now?

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GymHenson: Vote Blotunga

(Also what're the odds he'd be town in two games back to back? ;D)

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(To all: the above is a semi serious question....I somewhat wonder what the odds are, if only a bit)
it depends on the setup of the game, but let's assume the chance of drawing scum is 1/4, the chance of drawing town two games in a row is 9/16 I make it but I'm often wrong in these things for some reason or another.

The chances that he's town a second game in a row NOW though is 3/4 (rounded up to the nearest setup) because we know he was scum in the first game so it's collapsed 4 of our 16 possibilities, leaving us with 9/12.

So him being town in another game doesn't change the odds of him being town in this game. Just like him being scum or town in this game didn't affect the odds of him drawing town in the last game.

QUED.



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Vitek: For me it is not something lynch-worthy by itself but it made me go look at your tell. And so far I found it tells me nothing about blotunga so it stops at that.

On the other hand I find Pooka and GH to be very opportunistic with their vote, so it certainly helped me form some read.
argh! this is so sensible it damages me.



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Vitek: On the other hand I find Pooka and GH to be very opportunistic with their vote, so it certainly helped me form some read.
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GymHenson: There's little to go on atm(for me to pick up on, at least) and we need to get people to claim range at some point.....or would you rather we all sit with our fingers up our collective posteriors until 24 hours(or even 12 hours) before deadline & scramble to lynch someone each "day" like last game?
you trying to rile vitek? or what?


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dedoporno: pre-post edit: I see ZFR backed off which makes me feel a bit better about his original push as him backing off like that wasn't really called for as more people than not seem to be in support or neutral about it.
Took me a while to understand this, but yeah, I agree. the initial excitement and the almost-immediate change of mind has a genuine look.


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Vitek: On the other hand I find Pooka and GH to be very opportunistic with their vote, so it certainly helped me form some read.
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ZFR: Yes, I'll be honest I found your reaction a bit opportunistic too, without committing to a vote.
really?



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ZFR: Either the person who claims is Town, in which scum get valuable info, or he's scum, in which case what do you expect him to claim? That he's scum? His real role? We'll get false info from him
pinning a scum to a false claim early on though... a good gig if you can get it


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Engerek01: I guess not knowing the previous games does have its advantages. I can see everyone from above, from an unbiased, naive perspective.
yes! you can

so who da scums?

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Korotan: Well I play sadly all time the same. Because I am such good hearted person on borderline to naive, that I have problem trying to gauge reactions, seeing lies or recocnizing when I get manipulated, that my psychotherapist advised me to playing this game so I get better understanding humans.

Well luckily for me this time I am just here to enjoy the show because of this awesome fluff.
yeah guys, I'm pretty sure my scum prediction is WRONG!
pretty sure it's WRONG! guys...


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GymHenson: (Also despite my changing it up, there are some telltale signs of my scum play that I sometimes exhibit even if I don't mean to....and i'm hoping the more observant town are observant enough to pick up on them)
what are those telltale signs?



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trentonlf: I don't like your apology at the end of this post, it feels off. If you're Town you should never apologize to someone if you think they are scum as out goal is to find them and lynch them.
no? it's not always easy to stay emotionally dettached from these games.


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trentonlf: Same to you, what are your thoughts on ZFR, blotunga, and GH?
zfr I think is town. his excitedly spotting blotunga's scumtell then soberly reevaluating had good vibes
blotunga I reckon probs town. I like the post where he's a bit fed up about being commonly thought scum.
GH I reckon is probs town too.
Have we seen him use the "don't vote for me just because everyone's in the habit of voting for me" argument when he's scum? I think it's a more genuine emotional reaction, I like to think he doesn't do as scum.
(so of course from now on he does)

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Hunter65536: I'm curious about how, forming wagons quick is a great slogan but I am not able to understand how you suggest that we go ahead with doing that. What criteria would you use to do that?

I'm asking because to me this doesn't seem much like a plan
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ZFR: It's because of your fixed mindset. Try thinking outside the box and you'll see how great the plan of lumping votes with the majority is. No risk no gain.
don't be salty hon :*

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dedoporno: Where Joe and Catte at?
Hey don't lump me with him! I was posting while he was apologising for not being able to :p

Even if I was able to access gog from work I'd have no time at the moment things are busy. I can manage time in the evenings so it'll probably be one enormous long

post a day. Maybe some follow up. I know wall of texts are not attractive. sos b


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dedoporno: Joe is also nowhere to be found.
:C
oh heck that's a large and horrible post. Sorry

I RECKON THESE ARE TOWN:

korotan (too believable)
bucktooth (familiar first-town-game sentiments)
engerek the sensible (wow! so sense!)
vitek the wise (zowie! such wise!)
zfr (the thing for blotunga thinking then rethinking)
gym (the 'think outside the box' thing)
blotunga (the bitterness thing)

pooka?? maybe (maybe? no particular reason I think I was just thinking so before)

FIVE LEFT:
dedo
flub
catte
trent
hunter

^ though imagining the scums are all in that list is absurd! I laugh derisively at myself!


anyway vote flubbucket
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JoeSapphire: it wasn't bothering me too much. And I'm not sure what I did to earn so much bucktooth trust
Maybe you're just so damn awesome people just decide to trust ya more? :)

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JoeSapphire: it depends on the setup of the game, but let's assume the chance of drawing scum is 1/4, the chance of drawing town two games in a row is 9/16 I make it but I'm often wrong in these things for some reason or another.

The chances that he's town a second game in a row NOW though is 3/4 (rounded up to the nearest setup) because we know he was scum in the first game so it's collapsed 4 of our 16 possibilities, leaving us with 9/12.

So him being town in another game doesn't change the odds of him being town in this game. Just like him being scum or town in this game didn't affect the odds of him drawing town in the last game.
Thanks for the in depth explanation of the odds here.

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JoeSapphire: QUED.
??? That some mafia acronym?

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JoeSapphire: you trying to rile vitek? or what?
No.....I just want town to do better this game if possible. :)

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JoeSapphire: what are those telltale signs?
If I told you them, then I might not be able to use them as easily if I were ever scum again.

I'll give you a hint on one of them, I guess: One has to do with posting frequency on average with my town games vs my scum games.

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JoeSapphire: Have we seen him use the "don't vote for me just because everyone's in the habit of voting for me" argument when he's scum? I think it's a more genuine emotional reaction, I like to think he doesn't do as scum.
(so of course from now on he does)
Eh, even if I wanted to use it in future games i'll likely forget it before then.

Sometimes I wish my memory wasn't so swiss cheesy :|
(Btw yes, I even forget to take notes when I should sometimes)
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JoeSapphire: you trying to rile vitek? or what?
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GymHenson: No.....I just want town to do better this game if possible. :)
Is vitek town?