If I get Night Killed, I think it will be because I'm onto the scumteam. I'm picking 2 of ZFR, Laser97, Liftrasil and Microfish.

Most likely scumteam is ZFR and Microfish

Very serious. Ending a day prematurely only helps Mafia

This post pretty much confirms to me you're are Scum

Unvote Laser97 VoteZFR

I think Microfish is probably your teammate.

My question wasn't whether ending prematurely helps Mafia, but whether ending it 1 day before deadline is "premature".

So answer my question, please: how late does a Day have to end for it not to be premature? 10-20 mins before deadline?

Technically it doesn't matter, yet like I said I see a difference between a bluff and bluff backed up with history/statistics, I even provided an example from Court system where a lawyer could forge evidence using something real and mixing it with something fake. In case of Micro the lie, if it's a lie, will be revealed one way or another and never again he could say anything to his defense. All his claims would be read as scum tells, and if he lied without backing up his words with statistics that would be a small lie, the difference is in consequences. That's how it matter.

And in case you will not stop this wagon and he'll flip Mafia, I'll be the next one (I should be I presume). Take this into consideration how ever you want.
No one wants to analyze on Day 1 I recon, it's a shame...

Also: this is LAMIST:

Seriously, "LAMIST" was meant to refer to people who indirectly hint at themselves being Town. Like "If I get NKed..." or "Oh no! They got our Cop. We'll avenge him!" or "What does QT mean?".

The statistics are completely meaningless. The dice rolls for previous games have no bearing on the dice rolls for this game. Never being mafia before neither makes him more or less likely to be mafia now.

What? Of course we wouldn't think less of him. If he is mafia then we'd expect him to lie, it's how you play as mafia.

It would be as pointless then as it was in this game:
- Previous statistics have no bearing on Micro's current chance of being mafia.
- People playing mafia are always going to lie and claim to be town.

I really don't understand your logic.

Is that a vig shot?

Holy shit, I guess LASER wasn't kidding?

The history and statistics are completely irrelevant, so you're drawing a distinction between a bluff backed up with nothing and a bluff backed up with nothing. You seem to think Micro should be concerned about tarnishing his reputation, but a mafia player is expected to lie. If he's found to be a liar here it won't tarnish his credibility in future because lying is expected from mafia.

I was talking about history cases of his being Town as his merits (and boredom) of being a Town, not the dice rolls chance on itself. I understand that dice could roll anything. But in case of Micro it was more like "look at that, it rolled Town again, what are the odds". Indeed.

Yeah sure, look at Pooka. If this is the case (Mafia lying about being Town) than Micro would envy him and most likely get a lynch 3 or 5 times an row (a slight exaggeration, however it could be even worse). If he just joked about "I'm Mafia, hah-hah-hah" that would be a completely different story, maybe just a few *revenge* RVS votes on Day 1.

Can't say anything against it. But it would be pointless because no one would ever believe in this trick again. If Micro haven't done Town claims before then I'm screwed and my logic is *bursting at the seams*. For some reason I though Micro claimed Town before but not at such extreme level of boldness.

I fully understand your concern. But I can't put it better that I already did (maybe I could but I'm not sure and this is not a problem me having different native language). But I just can't comprehend why on earth he would do such a stupid claim when he could just act like a normal Town player.

Thanks, I was going to reply but this sums up nicely what I had in mind.

As SPF said, the lawyer comparison doesn't apply. No one will go "Oh my God! He lied while being Mafia last time! I'll never believe a word he says again." You are expected too forge the evidence... er lie in Mafia. It's part of the game.

In case I screwed myself. I sincerely thought that it would *definitely* tarnish his reputation even if Mafia games mostly based on lies and bluffing. I inadvertently made his wagon more attractive and chained myself to it. Well, I should pay the price for my naivety.

@All
I have no idea what is going on between Laser and Scene, but whatever wagon you choose please stop at L-2 before I provide my analysis. I made a promise and I want to fulfill my obligations.

Yes but it's also breadcrumbing, the game is nearly solved. Town must ask why night kills happen.

So I was right? It's you and ZFR.

If most people can be online in the final day, yes extra info is found out. It's perhaps worth taking it to N2 12 hours before to allow claiming and reaction to the claim

Well it's only your second actual mafia game, you're still learning. Doesn't look like we're going to get our questions about Micro answered today anyway because it looks like LASER just used his vig shot, which will end the day according to the PM in the OP (it's as if he forced a lynch essentially).

Did you even read the OP?

How could you possibly draw that conclusion? Do you think the mafia can day-kill?