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Lifthrasil: What harebrained theory? Did you even read what SPF wrote? He didn't propose any harebrained theory. He made a valid point, that didn't include any theory but a description of the current situation.

Again, did you even read what he wrote? Or are you so angry by now, that you are in pure fight- mode and don't bother actually understanding what SPF writes?

@GR: please read posts 477 and 499 where I detail what was off with blotunga.

About SPF: it would make no sense at all for him to be the remaining scum. If be were, he could just go the path of least resistance and go about lynching one of the 4 generally suspect players. Everybody would go along and SPF would win. Going after the two half- confirmed 'Masons' would be unnecessary for a lone remaining scum in SPFs position.

Also he was the main driving force behind the lynch if the first two scum.
1st bit: He did propose a theory(iirc) that there are 4 scum, which seems a tad overkill for such a game imo.

2nd bit: He likely sees it as either dumb town play or very scummy play by SPF.

3rd bit: I did......so you are suspicious of blotunga because he tried protecting my PR info from everyone when SPF and others egged him on to fullclaim no matter what that might do to the game? is that about it? Or did I miss something?

4th bit-5th bit: Or he could be scum trying to look as town as possible by doing such.....that is also possible though tbh I am not so sure either that scum would be so visible.
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Lifthrasil: Please read what SPF and I wrote. Both of us listed the advantages and disadvantages of lynching one of you vs. someone else.

Please consider especially the theory that at least one if the four suspects is a town PR.
We could also lynch someone else and hope to hit the last scum, and if there is a town investigator they could look into one of us "tonight" and see if our claim holds up. Then they could claim and either verify us scum as some suspect and help town win the game by doing so or they could prove us town and we could eliminate them from the list of scum and us as well....making the potential list of possible scum very very small & likely giving us a win.
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Lifthrasil: Lolchan is a bit cleared in my mind by the ease with which she hopped on trent's train. As the second one on it, before it was clear that trents lynch was unavoidable. Would scum@Lol have sacrificed her second buddy that easily?

I am suspecting pooka and nmillar. I already went over that and the reasons for my suspicion haven't changed. So let's go with the one who is within the leading two for most of us.

vote Pooka
I find it odd that you want to lynch someone listed by a person you might suspect to be scum. Reasons for doing so, if I may ask?
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SirPrimalform: Right, caught up. Nmillar (for very reluctantly hammering trent) and RFG (for immediately jumping on nmillar when I pointed out his reluctance to lynch trent) are my primary suspects, but I could get behind a pooka lynch (not voting at all).
Hmm, if you were scum you might get onboard this wagon to hide amongst the town who are voting.....this makes you a bit more town in my eyes....fwiw.
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SirPrimalform: With time running shortish I guess I'd better move my vote so that pooka actually feels the pressure.

Vote pooka
Then you went and voted them anyways.....after only 1 hour and saying you didn't want to vote(more or less) for pooka but were behind the lynch.

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To all: At this point, I don't want to lynch Pooka if they turn out to be a fellow town and my lucky streak of hitting scum finally comes to an end, but on the other hand we have a somewhat decent chance(though not the best) to hit the last scum.....decisions decisions.

I will wait for Pooka to talk a bit more before deciding, or if they aren't back on by deadline I will vote and see what happens.

If I make it to the next 'day'(not likely with my luck, but then scum might let us live to make us look suspect as I said earlier) and Pooka isn't scum then I will either choose one of the lurkers or SPF(the lurkers are a bit higher in my list atm).

I will also be on for another 4 hours or so, give or take, so this might be your last chance to ask me stuff on the current "day".

Thoughts, anyone?

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Well, we've only got 8 hours to go, so we need to reach a consensus. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Pooka is going to make an appearance, and I'm reluctant to lynch without giving the opportunity for a claim.
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nmillar: Well, we've only got 8 hours to go, so we need to reach a consensus. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Pooka is going to make an appearance, and I'm reluctant to lynch without giving the opportunity for a claim.
Well we can hope everyone comes online and changes their vote to a new person, or we vote pooka and hope we chose correctly.

Seeing as I have to go offline now(it will show me as online due to me not signing out much) I will put my vote on Pooka and hope I chose right....if not......

Vote Pooka

(sorry Pooka if i'm wrong)

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Going offline until likely after the deadline.....I will see what happens and if i'm still alive in the game when I get back in around 18+ irl hours
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GameRager: 1st bit: He did propose a theory(iirc) that there are 4 scum, which seems a tad overkill for such a game imo.

2nd bit: He likely sees it as either dumb town play or very scummy play by SPF.

3rd bit: I did......so you are suspicious of blotunga because he tried protecting my PR info from everyone when SPF and others egged him on to fullclaim no matter what that might do to the game? is that about it? Or did I miss something?

4) I find it odd that you want to lynch someone listed by a person you might suspect to be scum. Reasons for doing so, if I may ask?
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5) To all: At this point, I don't want to lynch Pooka if they turn out to be a fellow town and my lucky streak of hitting scum finally comes to an end, but on the other hand we have a somewhat decent chance(though not the best) to hit the last scum.....decisions decisions.

I will wait for Pooka to talk a bit more before deciding, or if they aren't back on by deadline I will vote and see what happens.

If I make it to the next 'day'(not likely with my luck, but then scum might let us live to make us look suspect as I said earlier) and Pooka isn't scum then I will either choose one of the lurkers or SPF(the lurkers are a bit higher in my list atm).

I will also be on for another 4 hours or so, give or take, so this might be your last chance to ask me stuff on the current "day".

Thoughts, anyone?

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Yes. Don't use bold face unless you want to talk to the mod.

1) he discussed that theory, yes, as did nmillar, as did I. But he didn't list that theory as reason for the policy lynch. The advantages of the policy lynch are independent of the (unlikely) chance that there are 4 scum. Please learn to actually read before you reply, not just skim.

2) No. Blotunga sees something that SPF didn't even write as scummy and accuses him of it. Which is called misrepresentation. Which is scummy.

3) Again, learn to read before writing. Don't just skim. That is not what I wrote and either you really don't care what others write or you intentionally misrepresent. ... Really, you and blotunga are the scummiest players in this game and only the fact that 4 scum are so unlikely protects you.
Do I have to repeat everything I wrote? Why are we even discussing blotunga at this moment? But OK, I'll indulge you:
- he started out very scummy. Already misrepresenting what others wrote.
- he was unwilling to vote any of the proven scum players. Check it, he was on neither of the trains.
- when I asked for your confirmation, he butted in and didn't let you reply in your own words. Just as if he were afraid of what you might say. Trying to confirm himself, by putting words in your mouth. Which is very, very scummy.

4) ... I don't even understand that question? Should I not suspect someone because someone else suspects him too? That doesn't make sense at all!

5) Well, you didn't want to lynch trent either, so we know how reliable your reluctance to lynch based on your 'streak' is.
But I find it interesting that you berate SPF for voting for someone who isn't his prime target ... and then you go along voting for someone you don't want to lynch. Not just 'not your prime target', like in SPF's case, but a far stronger 'I don't want to lynch Pooka' ... and then you vote for him nonetheless.


Anyways. Pooka seems to be hiding in spite of the rapidly approaching deadline. Maybe some RL stuff intervened. But maybe he just doesn't know how to defend himself, which would mean we are on to something here.
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nmillar: Well, we've only got 8 hours to go, so we need to reach a consensus. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Pooka is going to make an appearance, and I'm reluctant to lynch without giving the opportunity for a claim.
4 hours to go. Please keep in mind that a no-lynch would be way worse than a lynch without a claim!
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nmillar: Well, we've only got 8 hours to go, so we need to reach a consensus. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Pooka is going to make an appearance, and I'm reluctant to lynch without giving the opportunity for a claim.
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Lifthrasil: 4 hours to go. Please keep in mind that a no-lynch would be way worse than a lynch without a claim!
True, but I want to at least allow Pooka as much chance as possible to make an appearance. I'll add my vote shortly before the deadline if it's a no show.
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Lifthrasil: 4 hours to go. Please keep in mind that a no-lynch would be way worse than a lynch without a claim!
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nmillar: True, but I want to at least allow Pooka as much chance as possible to make an appearance. I'll add my vote shortly before the deadline if it's a no show.
OK
Oh dear, I was hoping for a little more activity than this.

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GameRager: Hmm, if you were scum you might get onboard this wagon to hide amongst the town who are voting.....this makes you a bit more town in my eyes....fwiw.
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Then you went and voted them anyways.....after only 1 hour and saying you didn't want to vote(more or less) for pooka but were behind the lynch.
I didn't say I wouldn't vote pooka, I said they weren't my preference. The lynch requires consensus and sometimes you have to compromise. I see Lift has already called you out on this so I won't deconstruct your post further.
At this point, a claim from Pooka can't be checked, and it would be in scum!Pooka's interest to claim a PR. I feel like we need a contingency lynch, in case he does show up and claim. In that case, the safest option (much as I hate to admit it) is SPF's plan.
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RedFireGaming: At this point, a claim from Pooka can't be checked, and it would be in scum!Pooka's interest to claim a PR. I feel like we need a contingency lynch, in case he does show up and claim. In that case, the safest option (much as I hate to admit it) is SPF's plan.
You think Pooka wouldn't be worried about being counter-claimed? Or that there simply wouldn't be time for everyone to see it in order to CC?
If Pooka did that then it should be easy to get them tomorrow. It looks like we have ~4 hours left, not sure how close we should cut it.
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SirPrimalform: Pooka, just after agentcarr and trent turned on each other:

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PookaMustard: This game is ridiculous as it is. First we start in a thread, post a couple posts there then abandoned ship to a new thread. Once there, we find out that dedo and Micro have dropped out, and it just so happens that one of them probably was scum (allegedly dedo according to agent), so we soon find out that it's very likely alignments were reshuffled but the roles were kept (unconfirmed), and then agent comes out and says he ousted himself in one of the first few posts, that he was switched (he doesn't say if town or neutral), and that his scumteam when he was scum was dedo and trent.

This game is amazing for all the wrong reasons. Above all, I'm not sure if I want to go for trent or for agent. Both look bad.
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SirPrimalform: Possibly the dilemma of one who has just been turned into scum and is suddenly presented with their buddies trying to bus one another?
You're reading too much into this thing. Just like I told GR with another related point, the problem was less "oh dear I'm scum now and my scumbuddies are in danger" and more "why is this even happening, there's got to be a better way to handle it."

I disappeared yesterday because I was pretty much outside the whole day. Had a fun time, went back tired, that sort of stuff.

If you fancy seeing a Haitian Regular flip, go ahead and add one more vote to the wagon. Can I also ask for everyone else to claim? After all, if I'm the final scum, it would be pointless for me to ask that at L-1.

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vote extend
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PookaMustard: If you fancy seeing a Haitian Regular flip, go ahead and add one more vote to the wagon.
Aha, we have a claim.
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SirPrimalform: Aha, we have a claim.
Not going to vote to extend? We can get a small extension and get back some of the day we wasted on blotunga and GR.
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PookaMustard: Not going to vote to extend? We can get a small extension and get back some of the day we wasted on blotunga and GR.
I'm not sure what we'd do with the extra time, but why not?

vote extend

While we're at it, what's your behind-the-mask name?
NO. Definitely not! The same arguments against a mass-claim still apply. Especially if you actually should be Town. Why would you, if you were Town, want to deliver a hypothetical investigative role to the remaining scum on a silver platter? That would only achieve that he will die Tonight and can't report their finding tomorrow.

So, NO MASSCLAIM! Let's just hope that any PRs survive the Night and can share something tomorrow, instead of getting them killed in the last minute.