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MarkoH01: Interesting - then I had the wrong impression, sorry. about this Could it be that they only sent it to those who subsribed to their newsletter, making them think those probably are the "most impportant" customers?
We don't know and they didn't tell us. Certain newsletters settings are of course condition to get the link, but I doubt it is only connected to newsletters, since not all newsletter subscribers got it.
Also the point with "most important customers" was discussed (I feel so important right now!)
But really ... we don't know how they made their selection and it's unlikely we ever gonna find out.
Could as well be that they didn't select at all and it is due to a bug that not all got it. Would that really surprise anyone?

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MarkoH01: But what would interest me even more: is there a reason we now have three threads to discuss the same topic?
Of course. People tend to ask before they check if someone already asked the same question.
(Also replace "ask" with rant, depending on the topic)
Post edited December 31, 2022 by neumi5694
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MarkoH01: Interesting - then I had the wrong impression, sorry. about this Could it be that they only sent it to those who subsribed to their newsletter, making them think those probably are the "most impportant" customers?
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neumi5694: We don't know and they didn't tell us. Certain newsletters settings are of course condition to get the link, but I doubt it is only connected to newsletters, since not all newsletter subscribers got it.
Also the point with "most important customers" was discussed (I feel so important right now!)
But really ... we don't know how they made their selection and it's unlikely we ever gonna find out.
Could as well be that they didn't select at all and it is due to a bug that not all got it. Would that really surprise anyone?
Wouldn't surprise me at all if it was one of the many GOG bugs ...
Well, I guess I will have to read this big survey thread after all to get a bit more informed before making wrong assumptions again.
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neumi5694: Denuvo itself is not DRM. It only protects the already existing DRM mechanism from hacking - up to a certain point.
Some GOG games already have DRM mechanisms - even if so far none of them prevents you from starting the game.
It affects how I may modify my game files that are on my computer for my personal use. It requires online authentication. The game will not work without it. It is DRM. It has a benefit (for other DRM providers) of detecting changes in their DRM files so their DRM is also double protected.
Post edited December 31, 2022 by paladin181
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paladin181: It affects how I may modify my game files that are on my computer for my personal use. It requires online authentication. The game will not work without it. It is DRM. It has a benefit (for other DRM providers) of detecting changes in their DRM files so their DRM is also double protected.
So it performs it's own licence check? Because DRM is exactly that and nothing else.

Which digital access right does it manage?
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Mori_Yuki: I would welcome a multi-tier subscription service for two reasons.

① With games like Europa Universalis IV in the catalog it would help to be able to try them before spending money. Besides that, there are games which might not work, poor performance, technical issues or not running at all.

② I hate having to go through a sometimes lengthy troubleshooting process and having to ask for a refund because the game in question still doesn't work. That's a waste of time, energy and money. I would never go through all the trouble for rental games and would not buy to own them.

If there is going to be one, I hope for access to the full library for premium subscribers, a "DLC-only" option which becomes available if the base game has been purchased, and a rotation of 1-6 months before games are replaced.
You know GoG implemented Game return option 30 days since bought even if downloaded with no question asked?
The only difference is unlike steam where it is only possible within two hours playtime but theorethically gaming through the whole store, GoG is letting them open the leeway for if you return to many games they will exclude you from this option.
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neumi5694: So it performs it's own licence check? Because DRM is exactly that and nothing else.

Which digital access right does it manage?
LOL It has to verify from its own servers, and actually locked people out of games they paid for because they changed video cards. The right it manages is the right to modify your copy of the software, and your right to access the software, should its home server not be available.
Post edited December 31, 2022 by paladin181
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paladin181: LOL It has to verify from its own servers, and actually locked people out of games they paid for because they changed video cards. The right it manages is the right to modify your copy of the software, and your right to access the software, should its home server not be available.
Ok, so it's just bollocks then. Because we don't have the right to modify their software to bypass online checks.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stick to the definitions of the terms and not mix moral or your personal feelings into it.


But even then ... what you described here is a protection mechanism and not a licence check, so by definition it's not DRM.
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neumi5694: If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stick to the definitions of the terms and not mix moral or your personal feelings into it.
"Denuvo is anti-tamper not DRM" is years out of date marketing BS originally based on the fact Denuvo v1 did little more than obfuscation of code in the .exe. However on today's Denuvo v5 and up, it additionally stores a 128-bit "token" locally containing the licensing data (locked to your unique HWID) and it needs go online periodically to re-license (said to be once per fortnight) and potentially more often with hardware changes (eg, benchmarking rigs), ie, it works exactly like a combination of Steam CEG + SecuROM PA in addition to the virtualization 'anti-tamper' stuff:-

"While everything that might invalidate the token stored on the storage drive is not fully known, this happens frequently enough for the anti-tamper protection to be described as requiring a periodic online connection every fortnight or so. The lack of transparency on storefronts regarding this process from Denuvo Anti-Tamper is a hindrance for potential purchasers, as it means people might not be aware of its presence and periodic online requirement before purchasing a game that, after purchase, the purchaser may find unplayable when an online connection is unavailable."
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo

This is also why dozens of Denuvo protected games stopped working on Alder Lake in the process of locking the game to a "hybrid" CPU it didn't understand. So yes, Denuvo is very definitely DRM, twice over in fact with the "anti-tamper" stuff just being the 3rd cherry on top...
Post edited January 01, 2023 by AB2012
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neumi5694: But even then ... what you described here is a protection mechanism and not a licence check, so by definition it's not DRM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
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neumi5694: Ok, so it's just bollocks then. Because we don't have the right to modify their software to bypass online checks.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stick to the definitions of the terms and not mix moral or your personal feelings into it.


But even then ... what you described here is a protection mechanism and not a licence check, so by definition it's not DRM.
What I described is exactly DRM. I'm not going to engage your attempts to gaslight me.
Heh. The first thing that came to mind when I saw that e-mail header was that stupid old website where they did the "rate the person's looks" thing from the early/mid-2000s. That ain't no good old website! =P
Post edited January 01, 2023 by P-E-S
Things the GOG community want to see next:

The survey says!...
Post edited January 01, 2023 by Braggadar
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neumi5694: Ok, so it's just bollocks then.
Try not to say bollocks again - at least until you actually understand its use.