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Hey, GOGgers,

We're not perfect, we're exploring new frontiers, and we make mistakes. We thought DRM-Free was so important that you'd prefer we bring you more DRM-Free games and Fair Price was less critical and that it could be sacrificed in some cases. The last two week's worth of comments in our forums (nearly 10k!), show that's not the case. We didn’t listen and we let you down. We shouldn't sacrifice one of our core values in an attempt to advance another. We feel bad about that, and we're sorry. Us being sorry is not of much use to you, so let’s talk about how we will fix it.

One: DRM-free forever. Abandoning fixed regional pricing means it will probably take longer to get some games, but you've made it clear that sacrificing fair pricing for more DRM-free games isn't acceptable.

Two: We will adamantly continue to fight for games with flat worldwide pricing. If that fails and we are required to have regional prices, we will make up the difference for you out of our own pockets. For now it will be with $5.99 and $9.99 game codes. In a couple of months, once we have such functionality implemented, we will give you store credit instead, which then you will be able to use towards any purchase and cover the price of it in full or partially. Effectively gamers from all around the world will be able to benefit from the US prices.

This will apply to every single game where we do not have flat pricing, such as Age of Wonders 3 (full details here), Divinity: Original Sin, and The Witcher 3. If you remember the Fair Price Package for The Witcher 2, this will be exactly the same.

Three: We still intend to introduce the pricing in local currencies. Let us explain why we want to do it and how we want to make it fair for everyone. From the very beginning our intention was to make things easier for users whose credit cards/payment systems are not natively in USD. The advantages are simple because the price is more understandable and easier to relate to. There would be no exchange rates involved, no transaction fees, and no other hidden charges. However after reading your comments, we realized we have taken an important element away: the choice. In order to fix this, we'll offer the option of paying in the local currency or the equivalent in USD. This way, how you pay is always your choice.

Four: You are what matters, and we will be sure to involve you all more in what we're doing and why we're doing it. Let's start by meeting you at GDC - we’d like to invite you to meet us face-to-face Monday the 17th at GDC. Obviously, not all of you can come to San Francisco, so we want to invite all of you to an online event with us early in April to ask us whatever you would like. More details soon.

The bottom line is simple: there may be companies that won't work with us (although we will work hard to convince the most stubborn ones ;). Yes, it means we might miss out on some games, but at the same time GOG.com will remain true to its values and will keep on offering you the best of DRM-free gaming with Fair Prices.

Once again thank you for caring so much about GOG.com. We will work hard not to disappoint you again.

--Marcin "iWi" Iwinski & Guillaume "TheFrenchMonk" Rambourg
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JudasIscariot: Also, I noticed you're back in the U.S.

How was the *ahem* flight? :D
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Senteria: haha you crack me up once again. I guess everyone got homesick after migrating to Russia. (:
Dunno about everyone else but i visited US for a while ;)
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Messi_is_Messiah: Screw your principles man, games are games, and when they go 75% off like they always do we're only talking about a few cents in the end anways.
I hope you realize it doesn't make a difference? If I spend $100 on 1 game or 5 games, if the games are 30% more expensive, that's still the same amount of money lost.
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Messi_is_Messiah: Screw your principles man, games are games, and when they go 75% off like they always do we're only talking about a few cents in the end anways.

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Just for the sake of it, let's do some math on Age of Wonders 3, shall we?

Current price is $39.99 for those not paying regional prices and $54.99 for those that do.

A 75% sale makes those prices $9.99 and $13.74. The difference is $3.75 - that's hardly just a few cents, more like at least one more game on sale. That's because 37%+ is not a negligible difference, unless the starting price is very low to begin with.
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WhiteElk: It is very simple: GOGs sales have impacted the existence of DRM on new games. This only occurred because GOG began selling new games. People speak of founding principles, well GOG used to mean Good OLD Games - it was in their freaking name! People whined hard when GOG began selling new games. But had GOG not adjusted, then a number of new games would not have been DRM free. And GOG itself would not have grown as rapidly as it did.

GOG and its customers have NO influence over regional pricing. We do however have influence over DRM. The selling of regional priced games would have added yet more influence for GOG, and would have allowed greater growth, thereby affecting DRM to yet even a greater degree. Instead, we limit GOGs growth, reduce our potential for DRM change, and truly threaten GOGs continued relevance in the DDS market.
I would like to see the statistical backing for these very sweeping pronouncements. To wit:

1) GOG's influence over publishers using DRM is only due to sales of new titles.

2) GOG's customers are powerful enough as a purchasing bloc to influence DRM.

3) GOG's customers are not powerful enough as a purchasing bloc to influence regional pricing.

The only one of these with even anecdotal merit is the second.

As for the first, GOG built itself up on DRM-free old games, and is still the leading player in that market. And the fact that there are publisher who won't release their old titles without DRM shows that it is still an on-going and relevant battle. GOG broke the hard ground that made DRM-free palatable to publishers, and your revisionism won't change that.

As for the third, I reiterate, please provide the numbers. I am especially curious as to where the influence boundary lies that makes GOG's current level sufficient for #2 but not #3.

I'm afraid it sounds like you feel you have sussed it all out and are upset things didn't go the one right way to achieve the optimal outcome. I have to say that if you have the kind of prescient business sense that reveals all from only what you can glean here, you should stop wasting your time on a gaming forum and be out there making your first billion predicting market trends.
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shadowbaneaxe: Although it's pretty awesome that GOG seems to be listening, I'm a bit concerned about the wording on point three: Without the rest of the post, I would read this as local pricing, with the option of paying the local price in USD instead of local currency (which would be pointless?). Would be pretty dirty if it was like that. Probably isn't, but it's still a bit confusing.

If it said "the option to pay in USD or the equivalent in local currency," that would make more sense.

EDIT: Oh, I think Hyper was asking this as well... Sorry, I didn't read all 15 pages of comments :p
And I'm not the only other one, so please add your voice to the rest of us :-)
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BKGaming: Yes exceptional cases... your crazy if you don't think it will have an effect on which games and how often...
Thank you too, Nostradamus. It must be comforting knowing how it all plays out. Or is it the despair and gloom-seeking that is comforting? If so, take heart. If things don't go to smash this time, there will always be a future change you can peg the oncoming apocalypse to.
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Cavalary: And not selling the game of a rotten publisher is the right message either way. You don't rank your core values that you touted all these years and decide that holding on to one is worth throwing away the other. They haven't sold regionally priced games (excepting the court-ordered Witcher 2 snafu) so far, so that'd definitely be no change whatsoever, and I hope that (with the exception of these already contracted now) they'll continue not selling them.
Those who don't care for principles are free to make their purchases from other stores that have none (which is to say, nearly all of them). If this actually means that they'll properly go back to their policies in full then those of us who do can return here.
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Messi_is_Messiah: Screw your principles man, games are games, and when they go 75% off like they always do we're only talking about a few cents in the end anways. Why do we have to miss out on a lot of good games because of regional pricing ? If you don't support regional pricing on a game then don't buy it, it's really that simple. I feel like throwing a tantrum now because we probably won't be seeing a lot of good games here that we would have if we kept regional pricing. WAH WAH WAH I won't support gog anymore until they bring back the exclusive games with regional pricing! lol.
Why do you think a publisher will give you a drm free game at 75% off discount when he can just give you a 75% off game? What's in it for him? Yeah, nothing. Screw his principles as well, ok?
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BKGaming: Yes exceptional cases... your crazy if you don't think it will have an effect on which games and how often...
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IAmSinistar: Thank you too, Nostradamus. It must be comforting knowing how it all plays out. Or is it the despair and gloom-seeking that is comforting? If so, take heart. If things don't go to smash this time, there will always be a future change you can peg the oncoming apocalypse to.
Hahah so much this... i just don't get this "But what could've been..." crowd. They seem to be some sort of fortune tellers.
Well I'm happy. Thanks GOG, my wallet is open to you again.
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For all the folks who keep worrying about whether this is going to mean gog becomes unprofitable, then there is an obvious and easy answer.

They raise the prices everywhere. The same.

Orrrrrrrrr let me guess, those of you voicing this conern *ahem* wouldn't like THAT and would rather them go to regional pricing???
Post edited March 11, 2014 by OldFatGuy
Probably one of the better mea culpa's I've seen from a store anywhere.

Can't imagine my US-based self would have been hugely impacted financially, but, knowing the community's response and seeing this type of reaction from GOG to remain true to it's tenets is reassuring on the DRM-free front. I shared the fear of others who would look upon tiny changes over time adding up to a complete undoing of why we're maintaining accounts here. It's just what i've come to know from oh, pretty much all businesses out there.

Thanks GOG for understanding there's a line in the sand, and for being different than the rest (and offering something i appreciate - no DRM). hopefully it earns you more business in the long run.

Does anyone else feel like apps and games would be ten times better if all the efforts put into enforcing DRM were redirected on the creative front? Let's be honest publishers, if you have to rely upon copyright laws and instilling fear of fines and prosecution when your DRM ultimately gets defeated by people who don't get paid to defeat it, is the DRM really worth it in the end? Given the crowd here, this is more a rhetorical question.
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JudasIscariot: We do have VAT here and yes, we do use the zloty here instead of the Euro. Boy, was I in for a shock when I first got here, here being Poland and Europe in general, on how prices for games shot through the roof for me (before I started working for GOG :) )
So basically would you recommend people apply for employment at GOG.com then if they find the price of games around the world to be too expensive? ;o) It would kind of make sense... at least if they have mad skillz in demand there anyway. :)
Thanks GOG for doing this, and for including the local currency option.
If you allow Venezuelan currency, I will buy from here forever! You guys are awesome for sticking to your principles and listening to the community. You're awesome! Never change GOG!
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GOG.com: Two: We will adamantly continue to fight for games with flat worldwide pricing. If that fails and we are required to have regional prices, we will make up the difference for you out of our own pockets.
Those die hard GoG fans...(sigh) they are slowly killing GoG. IMO, GoG could never survive nor keep growing relying basically on these guys. I think this is a bad decision, although I'm truly hoping I'm deadly wrong. I think those guys do a great job here and I'd love to see them becoming truly Steam competitors (although I hold no hate for Steam, have tons of games there either).