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gamesfreak64: i hope sooner but i fear it might never end, but the stronger the drm the more of challenge it will be for the ones that dont love DRM to work around it.
The bigger they are the harder they fall, and if i am around to see it happen i be making a nice screenshot of it when it happens, print it out and hang it on the wall.
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supp99: Tragically enough they are never going to give up DRM, MMO's and steam are basically DRM and they've basically gotten a generation of gamers now to accept it. A sizable chunk of the gaming market will fork over money for a drm'd game, MMO's proved that with World of warcraft.

Tragically enough as a part of the first generation of video gamers as soon as steam store and MMO's gained traction I knew to expect more of the same, the last 15 years have been pretty horrifying if you were in your late teens early 20's during the mid 90's. The division is selling well being online only, Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 basically gave the green light to everyone to push always online now.

The free market in gaming can never work because it requires us to be geographically located near these companies otherwise our rage/complaints won't work without physical presence. The internet changes the dynamic where they can push games and a large part of the gaming market (kids/morons/idiots) will buckle because they generally don't have a clue what they are doing to gaming by their stupid purchasing habits. The old primate brain didn't evolve to participate in a market society, you can always find people dumb enough to feed corporate criminality.
thats right, the new generation doesn't know better , so these kids will accept everything that happens and will happen, simply because they dont know better, for these kids it has been like that, they are the new/next generation, they grew up with all this drm shites.

Ofcourse this is a very sad thing, the smart generation , that would be us, the older ones who were born in the 40s,50, 60s, we know how it used to be so thats why the older gamers wont accept all that DRM stuff.

The worst thing is the fact that sometimes i also think our kids are plain 'lazy' they like things to be as easy and fast as possible, just by pressing 1 button they expect all things to be done, sad cause these kids will be the pillars of the new society, its a good thing we dont live to become 300 years , cause then we would be crying out eyes out when we see what a mess this world has become.

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Fenixp: That is as opposed to your smart and superior brain which just a couple of posts earlier suggested that curing symptoms would cure the disease :-P
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supp99: I watched gaming go down the shitter the last 15 years, the fact that gog.com even exists is actually proof the average human being is irrational. No rational computer literate person would ever accept handing over rights to own their own shit and allow game companies to turn their games off and pay for it. That is a level of stupid that is off the charts. You paid $40-60 bucks and now they can just turn the game off at any time because they've engineered the game in such a way as to have absolute control of how you use it. That's a stupifying level of dumbness on the behalf of the average gamer.
Yes, i agree 100%.

However there is a light at the end of the tunnel:
once we, the last old gamers standing are gone and went to gamersheaven up in the sky, GoG will still exist
i am sure of that, cause by then all the Good Old fashioned GoG owners and staff will be replaced by the latest modern today versions, because they will be 80 or have past away, together with us, so we old gamers will be gogging up in the big and meet our beloved GoG owners and staff.

Our kids that love DRM, and dont know that DRM is bad, cause they grew up with DRM, will be running the next generation GoG, so GoG will live on forever, be it more like a steam GoG.

But that time has not come yet,, not for at least 20 years, so we the old GoG members will resist DRM, till our fight is done, we kicked the bucket, bought the farm, and then we will meet up in the big gamerssky with out friends.

Until that time we will continue nagging about DRM and telling how bad it is :D
Post edited March 25, 2016 by gamesfreak64
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apehater: gearbox should be nuked
ow thats a bit too much i guess... other people in the neigborhood will be hurt aswell...
I guess you mean a digital 'nuke'
that would be sufficient....
Post edited March 25, 2016 by gamesfreak64
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supp99: That is a level of stupid that is off the charts. You paid $40-60 bucks and now they can just turn the game off at any time because they've engineered the game in such a way as to have absolute control of how you use it. That's a stupifying level of dumbness on the behalf of the average gamer.
Have you ever even humored the possibility that majority of gamers absolutely realize this, but they just don't care? That they approach buying a game like they do buying a ticked to a cinema, to play the game once or a few times and then move on to something else? Or is the concept that most humans have more important things than entertainment in their lives too difficult for your genius brain, oh mr. 100% rational and smarter than everybody else?
Post edited March 25, 2016 by Fenixp
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Fenixp: Have you ever even humored the possibility that majority of gamers absolutely realize this, but they just don't care? That they approach buying a game like they do buying a ticked to a cinema, to play the game once or a few times and then move on to something else?
You've just proven my point, that kind of thinking is stupid because you are basically handing over your rights to own your own shit and asking to be bent over and exploited. That's the definition of being stupid. Note that the same people you talk about also complain about how they are mistreated by game companies. These are the same people we're talking about. As I said before, the average gamer is not rational.
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supp99: You've just proven my point, that kind of thinking is stupid because you are basically handing over your rights to own your own shit and asking to be bent over and exploited.
It's not -your own shit-. You never own a piece of software, and you can't own a piece of software, unless you made it or bought rights to it. Everything else is a question of agreement between consumer and the distributor, including what kind of price is the consumer willing to pay for the particular set of conditions creator has set. You should know this of course, being a supreme being and all.

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supp99: Note that the same people you talk about also complain about how they are mistreated by game companies.
<citation needed>

Oh wait you ... Can't actually back that up with anything but anecdotal evidence of there being people who buy AAA games and there also being people who complain about conduct of big companies.
Post edited March 25, 2016 by Fenixp
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supp99: You've just proven my point, that kind of thinking is stupid because you are basically handing over your rights to own your own shit and asking to be bent over and exploited.
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Fenixp: It's not -your own shit-.
First sale doctrine says otherwise, out-dated laws made by corporate lobbyists are at odds with consumer rights. But you'd need an education to understand that. You don't have enough legal education to even participate in the discussion.
Post edited March 25, 2016 by supp99
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supp99: First sale doctrine says otherwise, out-dated laws made by corporate lobbyists are at odds with consumer rights. But you'd need an education to understand that. You don't have enough legal education to even participate in the discussion.
Oh look at you, conveniently replying only to the parts of my argument you see fit, mr. Supreme Being, Master of the Universe :-P Yes, monkey brains are good cherry picking, aren't they? I thought you're beyond a mere monkey brain tho, everybody else being an idiot, obviously. Seems you might be an idiot too, like the rest of us :-P

Anyway, we -finally- got to one of the roots of the issue, didn't we? First sale doctrine doesn't apply to digital goods, for most of the world anyway. You trying to sound clever doesn't change what I said being true, just by the way. At any rate, you can run around victim blaming all you want, but the painful truth is that it's not DRM you need to be afraid of and try get addressed, it's the root issues behind it you should be concerned and preach about.

There's naturally the other point of services like Steam for which people will gladly sacrifice their ownership of a product to get what they perceive to be a better service - you know, just like people gladly pay for Netflix for television or Spotify for music (yes, the payment model is different, it doesn't matter). But our primitive monkey brains are terrible when it comes to seeing issues from a different perspective than our own, aren't they? I wonder where could I possibly find an example of such behavior .. Oh, hello!

Anyway, that's the point where I quit this particular discussion. To be an arrogant prick, you actually need to be smart enough to match it up. You're not. I'm not either, but I'm also not declaring anyone not sharing my beliefs an idiot.
Post edited March 25, 2016 by Fenixp