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GR00T: From the first link:

"If you need to use an app that isn’t in the Windows Store, in just a few clicks can go to the Windows Store and switch to Windows 10 Pro."
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MrPopo: Don't you come in here with your facts; there's sensationalism to be had.
Btw, he/she cut the full text string. Here is the full one:
"....But you shouldn’t. This device, this OS, they’re made for each other, and together [url=http://But you shouldn’t. This device, this OS, they’re made for each other, and together they offer so much.]they offer so much[/url]."
Hahaha! Is this windows made by Kim Jong Uhm fan?
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GR00T: "If you need to use an app that isn’t in the Windows Store, in just a few clicks can go to the Windows Store and switch to Windows 10 Pro."
I wouldn't be surprised if most people ended up doing just that. "Oh, no! There goes my security!" Pfft. If anything the integrated chip will kill any gaming desires before Windows ever will. For playing anything more recent that is not 2D/low-fi indie: tough shit.

That said, whoever thought that fabric cover was a good idea needs to be smacked. That alone would be a dealbreaker to me if I was in the market for a laptop.
Welcome to a new age of Internet crapware.
Post edited May 04, 2017 by KingofGnG
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vicklemos: ...
Welcome to 2012 ! Where the non "pro" version of the Windows Surface only supported WinRT and not Win32.

The difference here is that, as other have already mentioned, you can switch back to a normal Windows 10 with a couple of click while the WinRT Surface was forever stuck to WinRT apps.

Also when i come to gaming you would need to be really silly to get a Surface to game on it, it's not made for that at all.
Post edited May 04, 2017 by Gersen
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GR00T: From the first link:

"If you need to use an app that isn’t in the Windows Store, in just a few clicks can go to the Windows Store and switch to Windows 10 Pro."
Why is it hidden like that? Why do you need to "switch" anything in order to use non-Windows Store apps? It is not quite clear what that "switch" even means: does it mean you need to download the whole Windows 10 Pro installation from the store, and install it over Windows 10 S, just so that you can run non-Windows Store apps? Can you switch back and forth fast and easily between Windows 10 Pro and S?

It is true MS isn't as stupid anymore trying to lock people only to storefront in one big jump (like they tried with Windows RT tablets, which tanked), but it is quite apparent that is their ultimate aim. For now they have chosen to do it bit by bit. Make running of non-Windows Store applications harder and more complicated in each iteration of Windows, alienating people from them slowly. Now they say it takes "only two clicks", later it is three clicks, five years from now it is 1000 clicks...

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Gersen: Also when i come to gaming you would need to be really silly to get a Surface to game on it, it's not made for that at all.
Give it time. I remember when some people here claimed back on Windows 8 (and Windows Store) arrival that Windows Store will only be for mobile phone apps, not for PC AAA games or anything, like the latest Tomb Raider for example (ie. that it wouldn't be directly competing with e.g. Steam, ever, no, na-ah, can't be, unthinkable...).
Post edited May 04, 2017 by timppu
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Maxvorstadt: Well, not if you want to play games, then it is a piece of crappy crap!
I realise you're probably just trolling, but whatever... I've been using Linux Mint since the start of 2013 & now run it exclusively on my new Ryzen build. It's actually been pretty great & is getting better all the time, more games than ever are coming out for Linux, and many more that haven't & won't come to Linux natively at least run well in Wine.

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timppu: Now they say it takes "only two clicks", later it is three clicks, five years from now it is 1000 clicks...
I notice that they conveniently omit the part where you have to pay about $50. Presumably it's only "a few clicks" as long as your payment info is registered with Microsoft already.
Post edited May 04, 2017 by adamhm
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timppu: Give it time. I remember when some people here claimed back on Windows 8 (and Windows Store) arrival that Windows Store will only be for mobile phone apps, not for PC AAA games or anything, like the latest Tomb Raider for example (ie. that it wouldn't be directly competing with e.g. Steam, ever, no, na-ah, can't be, unthinkable...).
And that's basically what happened, most of the AAA games ever released on the store ended up being released on Steam too (except the MS ones) and the usage of the store for anything except phone-like apps is insignificant at best.

Also when peoples said that it was about the now mostly dead WinRT, not about UWP.
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Gersen: And that's basically what happened, most of the AAA games ever released on the store ended up being released on Steam too (except the MS ones) and the usage of the store for anything except phone-like apps is insignificant at best.
That is not what was claimed. It was claimed Windows Store won't even try to compete with Steam as a PC gaming storefront, not whether it will be successful in that or not (in 2017).

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Gersen: Also when peoples said that it was about the now mostly dead WinRT, not about UWP.
The discussion was about Windows Store in general (in Windows 8 at the time), not whether WinRT apps are mobile apps. Yes, certain people here claimed Windows Store is only meant for mobile apps and will never try to compete with their beloved Steam on the PC. Nowadays Windows Store is clearly doing just that. It is irrelevant if it is trying to compete with WinRT or UWP or FGH applications.

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adamhm: I notice that they conveniently omit the part where you have to pay about $50. Presumably it's only "a few clicks" as long as your payment info is registered with Microsoft already.
D'oh! Just goes to show you can make anything seem simple and irrelevant, like whether Windows 10 S allows running of non-Windows Store applications.

And in the same paragraph Microsoft itself suggests people shouldn't install Windows 10 Pro on the device.
Post edited May 04, 2017 by timppu
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adamhm: snip
Nope, I`m not trolling. I just speak the thruth: Linux is not for gaming.
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Maxvorstadt: Nope, I`m not trolling. I just speak the thruth: Linux is not for gaming.
Not in my experience. It's actually *much* better than I ever expected, and it's getting better all the time :)
Post edited May 04, 2017 by adamhm
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Maxvorstadt: Nope, I`m not trolling. I just speak the thruth: Linux is not for gaming.
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adamhm: Not in my experience. It's actually *much* better than I ever expected, and it's getting better all the time :)
Linux is never going to get any of the PC versions of video games from Activision, Bethesda Softworks, Blizzard Entertainment, Capcom Electronic Arts (EA), and Ubisoft though.

Linux will never reach 5% of the PC video games market or 10% either.

Last month Linux dropped from 0.77% to 0.76% on Steam's hardware survey.
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Johnathanamz: Linux is never going to get any of the PC versions of video games from Activision, Bethesda Softworks, Blizzard Entertainment, Capcom Electronic Arts (EA), and Ubisoft though.

Linux will never reach 5% of the PC video games market or 10% either.
Not long ago people were saying that we'd never get AAA games on Linux, and not long before that just getting games in general on Linux as a common thing was doubted, but look at where we are now: it's receiving a lot of investment and development from a lot of big companies, all of the major engines support Linux, it's common for indie games to come to Linux and even a fair number of AAA games are getting ported over now.

Last month Linux dropped from 0.77% to 0.76% on Steam's hardware survey.
Steam's hardware survey is hardly the best metric to use, but even so considering the vast number of users Steam has it's still a significant number of users, plus Steam's userbase is constantly growing.
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Johnathanamz: Linux is never going to get any of the PC versions of video games from Activision, Bethesda Softworks, Blizzard Entertainment, Capcom Electronic Arts (EA), and Ubisoft though.

Linux will never reach 5% of the PC video games market or 10% either.
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adamhm: Not long ago people were saying that we'd never get AAA games on Linux, and not long before that just getting games in general on Linux as a common thing was doubted, but look at where we are now: it's receiving a lot of investment and development from a lot of big companies, all of the major engines support Linux, it's common for indie games to come to Linux and even a fair number of AAA games are getting ported over now.

Last month Linux dropped from 0.77% to 0.76% on Steam's hardware survey.
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adamhm: Steam's hardware survey is hardly the best metric to use, but even so considering the vast number of users Steam has it's still a significant number of users, plus Steam's userbase is constantly growing.
Linux barley grew in the last five years.

One thing you need to know VALVe is subsidizing the ports of AAA PC versions of video games to get ported to Linux by Aspyer and Feral.

Activision, Bethesda Softworks, Blizzard Entertainment, Capcom, Electronic Arts (EA), and Ubisoft have seen no interest in having their PC versions of video games ported to Linux.

Also you can see on gog.com PC versions of video games that have Linux support on Steam don't have Linux support on gog.com like Dying Light, Metro 2033, Metro: Last Light, Saints Row 2, Saints Row: The Third, Saints Row IV, Saints Row: Gat out of Hell, Tropic 5, etc.

Most PC gamers just don't want Linux, they see it's free and say oh it's free it's crap.

There was even a thing said that in China since Windows costs money to purchase PC gamers in China pirate the Windows Operating Systems (OS') because they can.

So yeah you can believe that Linux is going to grow, but no it's never going to get 5% of the PC video games market or 10% of the PC video games market, ever.

Most AAA PC versions of video games will never be released for sale for Linux.
So don't buy a windows surface. I do consider the thread title trolling or attention getting unless you post something similar every time some vendor creates a portable device that only uses its own store.
Use whatever operating system you want, but do Linux user have to make some kind of a religion out of Linux?

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qwixter: So don't buy a windows surface. I do consider the thread title trolling or attention getting unless you post something similar every time some vendor creates a portable device that only uses its own store.
This. This is nothing new;you can only buy from the Amazon Kindle Store on the Kindle devices.
Post edited May 04, 2017 by dudalb