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Now my por... err... GOG games is safe....
Post edited February 22, 2016 by Devspar
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Devspar: link

Now my por... err... GOG games is safe....
Yes, but how are you supposed to fit that in 4 dimensional space-time?

Also, the link appears to be invisible and hence unclickable in your post. (It might be possible to access it with the keyboard, but in any case I put the link in the quote of your post.)

Edit: You actually can access the invisible link with the keyboard; you just need to press Tab enough times.
Post edited February 22, 2016 by dtgreene
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Devspar:

Now my por... err... GOG games is safe....
I look forward to this too.
Sadly there's no eta on when this technology will be available to the standard consumer, if ever.

But we already have access to a storage medium perfectly suitable for long time archival for a reasonable price:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC
http://www.zdnet.com/article/torture-testing-the-1000-year-dvd/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2933478/m-disc-optical-media-reviewed-your-data-good-for-a-thousand-years.html

With a lifespan of around 1000 years, you don't have to worry about losing your gog stuff, unless you are a highlander :p
Post edited February 22, 2016 by Solei
Just 4 GB and 50 GB? Hell no... Need at least 4 TB capacity to backup the essential por... GOG game files....
Post edited February 22, 2016 by Devspar
now it's nice that this thing can store any amount of data for an extreme long time-span, but this doesn't help if my child accident swallows this little thing, right?
If it is not rewriteable, then I have little interest to it.

I want bigger hard drives, not bigger Blueray discs.

About lasting beyond the human race, frankly I recall the same claims originally over CD (and CD-R) discs, and that's why even here they started moving government digital data to CD archives, expecting them to last for centuries or something.

Only later came the reports how some bacteria seems to eat those CDs for breakfast etc., and they are not as durable as we were made to believe.
Post edited February 22, 2016 by timppu
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Devspar: Just 4 GB and 50 GB? Hell no... Need at least 4 TB capacity to backup the essential por... GOG game files....
What happens when someday your PC with window XP / 7 broke and they ain't selling them anymore?
On the whole, I am not that interested whether my media (be it an optical disc, a hard drive, or whatever) lasts for 5 or 1000 years, because the devices and interfaces needed to read such media won't last forever either, and standards change. As long as it is relatively safe for several years or such.

I expect to move all my personal digital data (that I want to keep) to new media every few years anyway. For instance those 4D Sports Driving tracks (and the game) from the early 90s that I made myself, or all my old digital photos and videos... my intention was never that I keep them on those floppy disks or CD-R discs forever. I move them to new media whenever I see fit, e.g. currently they are on (several) 2 terabyte hard discs.

After a few years, I will have copied them into a 60TB HAMR drive or somesuch. And so on and so forth. They are not stuck to certain media, they move with me to newer technologies.

Also, I want filesystems to become more resistant so that I can expect data to stay uncorrupted, e.g. with ZFS or Btrfs, i believe.

Maybe some of that data will become unusable during that time because there are no suitable systems, emulators or applications to use them anymore, but that is beside the point, just like I am using a safety belt even though it will not save me if I drive off a cliff or get hid by a speeding truck.
Post edited February 22, 2016 by timppu
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Devspar: Just 4 GB and 50 GB? Hell no... Need at least 4 TB capacity to backup the essential por... GOG game files....
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Gnostic: What happens when someday your PC with window XP / 7 broke and they ain't selling them anymore?
My guess is, the same thing that happened with the good old dos pc's. We will probably run a ported version of the software - or in some sort of dosbox (winbox/wine?) emulator or virtual machine.
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Gnostic: What happens when someday your PC with window XP / 7 broke and they ain't selling them anymore?
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Solei: My guess is, the same thing that happened with the good old dos pc's. We will probably run a ported version of the software - or in some sort of dosbox (winbox/wine?) emulator or virtual machine.
Then it may render all the data stored in the Five Dimensional Glass Storage invalid, as you may not be able to use them anymore to run on modern hardware and have to rely on more modern emulation machine that might not be compatible with the old files.
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Gnostic: Then it may render all the data stored in the Five Dimensional Glass Storage invalid, as you may not be able to use them anymore to run on modern hardware and have to rely on more modern emulation machine that might not be compatible with the old files.
All software will at some point become incompatible and obsolete if not maintained. But the file systems will be readable in many years to come. (good for family photos and videos, scientific data and stuff stored in platform independent formats, etc.)
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Solei: My guess is, the same thing that happened with the good old dos pc's. We will probably run a ported version of the software - or in some sort of dosbox (winbox/wine?) emulator or virtual machine.
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Gnostic: Then it may render all the data stored in the Five Dimensional Glass Storage invalid, as you may not be able to use them anymore to run on modern hardware and have to rely on more modern emulation machine that might not be compatible with the old files.
I can see where your trying to go with this. Backup is an evolutionary process, i.e. backup is constant, each year assessing what is best for digital storage, moving to bigger storage etc. It isn't a "save it now and come back in 30 years to hope it still works". My backup for instance started back in 5.25" disks, saving stuff to them. That was replaced and all the information copied to 3.5" discs, then to Iomega Zip drive, then to CDs/DVDs, and currently I rotate four 4tb HDD backups some locally some remote. So you see that I have moved with the times, and improved the backup at each cycle. Next cycle is to be in around 4-5 years (hopefully) when I will assess what is available and affordable, and then go through the process of updating. Hence this statement " Then it may render all the data stored in the Five Dimensional Glass Storage invalid" is only valid if you stagnate, which is never a good idea in computing.
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nightcraw1er.488: I can see where your trying to go with this. Backup is an evolutionary process, i.e. backup is constant, each year assessing what is best for digital storage, moving to bigger storage etc. It isn't a "save it now and come back in 30 years to hope it still works".
Exactly this. As long as media storage keeps getting bigger and faster, why wouldn't you copy your old stuff to the new media when the time comes? On early 90s I may have had some of my personal files on several floppy discs, but nowadays they are on a big-ass hard drive and take only a fraction of a second to copy to some new media (and you don't need to copy them separately anyway, they get copied over with the rest of your stuff).

And I am not talking only about old games or porn videos, but even personal stuff dear to me, like old home videos (that I've moved to a more portable digital video format, e.g. a few months ago I was able to copy and digitize five old VHS cassettes with home videos in them to a digital format), old photos etc. that have some value to me and I want to keep.

I am not depending on cloud services to keep them safe and sound for the next 30 years, I've already once had to hurry to copy personal stuff to safety from a social service which said it is closing its doors. It is silly to think the same cloud services will still be there with all your data intact for decades to come, then you have to probably copy them over to yourself anyway etc.

It is possible that in 30 years I cannot watch those JPEG pictures or MPEG/MPEG-2 video files anymore, or unable to change them to a new format losslessly... but that is a completely separate issue from me losing the source material altogether.
Post edited February 22, 2016 by timppu
5 D Storage? Some kind of Hyperspace storage? Well, this must be some kind of aprils fools joke.
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nightcraw1er.488: I can see where your trying to go with this. Backup is an evolutionary process, i.e. backup is constant, each year assessing what is best for digital storage, moving to bigger storage etc. It isn't a "save it now and come back in 30 years to hope it still works".
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timppu: Exactly this. As long as media storage keeps getting bigger and faster, why wouldn't you copy your old stuff to the new media when the time comes? On early 90s I may have had some of my personal files on several floppy discs, but nowadays they are on a big-ass hard drive and take only a fraction of a second to copy to some new media (and you don't need to copy them separately anyway, they get copied over with the rest of your stuff).

And I am not talking only about old games or porn videos, but even personal stuff dear to me, like old home videos (that I've moved to a more portable digital video format, e.g. a few months ago I was able to copy and digitize five old VHS cassettes with home videos in them to a digital format), old photos etc. that have some value to me and I want to keep.

I am not depending on cloud services to keep them safe and sound for the next 30 years, I've already once had to hurry to copy personal stuff to safety from a social service which said it is closing its doors. It is silly to think the same cloud services will still be there with all your data intact for decades to come, then you have to probably copy them over to yourself anyway etc.

It is possible that in 30 years I cannot watch those JPEG pictures or MPEG/MPEG-2 video files anymore, or unable to change them to a new format losslessly... but that is a completely separate issue from me losing the source material altogether.
Eeek, no indeed. Never (ever, ever) trust an online storage system. Always backup yourself on offline.

For file format specifically, yes that is another point outside the scope of actual storage medium. There is tools for this however, ffmpeg convertor which can be batch run. One of the biggest nuisances in recent days is the switch to 64bit. That is a bit more serious, as the various engines cannot be converted so some work, some don't. Virtualisation however is something which is coming on leaps and bounds. So probably best at this point to take fixed points, i.e. have a machine which can dual boot or vitual image XP/7/Linux, and then keep a machine thats up to date.
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Maxvorstadt: 5 D Storage? Some kind of Hyperspace storage? Well, this must be some kind of aprils fools joke.
I think they mean the media has five dimensions, not that it exists in 5 Dimensions :o)
Post edited February 22, 2016 by nightcraw1er.488