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Posted November 02, 2015
1. FlashDisable extension
2. Good adblocker, like ublock origin.
3. Stick to stable releases (ESR, Iceweasel)
4. Disable all extensions that you don't need or which weigh HIGH, like video grabbers/converters. They can contain malware(calls) or even have hidden bitcoin mining. Enable them only for short time when you use them.
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HertogJan: I use the same extensions that I used with Firefox with exception of Adblock Edge which has been replaced with uBlock.
You can harden your Firefox-based browser with "Chef Koch user.js", no need for palemoon.
AdB-E uses same engine as ABP, which consumes 3x as much memory, and 2x as much CPU as "ublock origin" (there is difference between origin and non-origin version).
Post edited November 02, 2015 by Lin545
Posted November 02, 2015
Performance is decent on my Firefox. It's installed on a SSD though, so I expected better performance. The biggest problem I have with Firefox is that it basically doesn't work if I play The Witcher 3 (see screenshots). Also, if I scroll in the browser in that state, the window flashes black and hundreds of horizontal lines appear in it. It kinda looks like abstract art. This is slightly inconvenient, as I usually have tabs open with DPS-builds for W3, achievement-guides, etc. Does anyone know why it is happening?
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Posted November 02, 2015
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Sarisio: I will second NoScript.
Browsing Internet without NoScript is like going to swim in middle of ocean with heavy boulder hung around your neck. You will get tons and tons and tons of malware, attention of all botnets and what not. Especially when you like to visit sites which live from advertisements and host hundreds of them on single page (with potential to freeze your PC if you unblock all of them).

Also updating Firefox = bad. I am glad I have old distributive. Flash is also bad, it is widely proven now. Everyone switches from it to html5.

I wonder how did we browse internet when we had 64 and less MB of RAM. I am not entirely sure that heavily increasing requirements for simple stuff like internet browsing is the way to go with technological improvements. It is like making calculator, which can only add and subtract, but which requires i11 20 GHz and 128 GB RAM (with 64 GB VRAM for graphical frontend). Thanks, but I will use old and proven versions of calculator (browser in this case).
Unless you require flexibility to enable/disable domain calls on per-case basis, you don't need noscript if you use ublock origin with a sufficient ruleset. It blocks the trackers, the malware domains etc, not only intrusive ads. I have used NoScript myself around 2010-2011.

Flash is pretty vulnerable, but its not necessary bad. It has LSO, which can be controlled with BetterPrivacy; but its better than HTML5 when its not about video or audio, because it containerizes the content. HTML5 games for example, are site-hosted, thus its impossible to have a local copy - when the site is gone, content is gone.

Modern browsers require heaps of RAM primary due to extensive (over)use of visual content. The same webpage in links2 will weight few kilobytes, ... but not everyone will be pleased by "rendering aesthetics" of text-based browser.
Post edited November 02, 2015 by Lin545
Posted November 02, 2015
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HertogJan: I use the same extensions that I used with Firefox with exception of Adblock Edge which has been replaced with uBlock.
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Lin545: You can harden your Firefox-based browser with "Chef Koch user.js", no need for palemoon.
AdB-E uses same engine as ABP, which consumes 3x as much memory, and 2x as much CPU as "ublock origin" (there is difference between origin and non-origin version).
Adblock Edge has stopped development and shouldn't be used anymore, which is the main reason I moved to uBlock origin.
I moved to Pale Moon due to the performance and stability issues I encountered with Firefox. That CK user.js doesn't seem to really improve that. Instead it secures the browser even more.
Posted November 02, 2015
I thought since 25 Firefox was faster than Chrome and tables proved it? It doesn't matter either way anyways in my opinion. It's something like .2 of a second difference usually.

I would never use Chrome as long as something like Firefox exists. Firefox would have to get a lot worse than Chrome for me abandon it and usher in an era of this corporate-controlled browser option or that corporate-controlled browser option.
Posted November 02, 2015
I wish someone would make a new lean and mean Opera browser that doesn't hide the menus. Who the heck thought it is a great idea to hide the menus, having to click more to go through one main tab in order to reach them? Damn touchscreen devices making all user interfaces crappy...

At least Firefox lets me enable the menus, even if they are disabled by default.

Und yeah, Firefox seems to hang on me sometimes with some Flash bullshit on certain sites, especially www.hs.fi. I am unsure who to blame more, Flash Player or Firefox. I wish we could do completely without Flash and Java already, they both just seem to be big troublemakers, needing imminent security hotfixes time to time.
Post edited November 02, 2015 by timppu
Posted November 02, 2015
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HertogJan: I moved to Pale Moon due to the performance and stability issues I encountered with Firefox. That CK user.js doesn't seem to really improve that. Instead it secures the browser even more.
AbE stopped development due to ublock :)
As for pale moon, the quantitative benchmarks I found on internet actually prove it to be slower, which is not surprising given the older code-base.
User.js itself is a firefox way to directly modify or override firefox internal settings (usually packed in sqlite db, about:config). Yes, CK disables features that cause browser to leak information and contain vulnerabilities (which may lead to hanging), as such it is not some new rendering engine and not an CPU "optimized binary" (which only makes sense for Gentoo and like, and even then - compilation time is long).

Some quantitative comparison between the browsers would be nice, such installing both Firefox ESR and Palemoon in new profiles on same machine and using various JS-performance and webpage rendering tests to find out the winner. Personally, I have no urge for this, because most of the time my Firefox was hanging - was due to flashplugin, which is easily 'kill -9' ed.
Post edited November 02, 2015 by Lin545
Posted November 02, 2015
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Lin545: Personally, I have no urge for this, because most of the time my Firefox was hanging - was due to flashplugin, which is easily 'kill -9' ed.
Yeah, i've noticed this too. Flashplugin seem to be the major liability when i experience slowdowns/crashes with Firefox.
Posted November 02, 2015
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FoxySage: Yeah, i've noticed this too. Flashplugin seem to be the major liability when i experience slowdowns/crashes with Firefox.
This is because a lot of sites really like to mis-use it to show you ads and track you (via LSO). See my post above:
1. FlashDisable
Also, some sites might demand you enable the flash, even with FlashDisable enabled. That plugin turns flash fully off, whilst allowing to enable it on case basis, and even then - within "click-to-enable" pattern - ie locally on the page.
So here it helps having UserAgent faker plugin, which can make the site believe you are browsing from the handheld (for android - phony, for desktop - useragent switcher).
Post edited November 02, 2015 by Lin545
Posted November 02, 2015
Whitelisting all the sites that you want to have FLASH but blocking it everywhere else is definitely the best solution, performance and usability wise.
Posted November 02, 2015
on that note:
thank you adobe for stopping the development of the linux version of flash and forcing me to uninstall it.
it works out surprisingly well without it.
Posted November 02, 2015
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Posted November 02, 2015
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timppu: I wish someone would make a new lean and mean Opera browser that doesn't hide the menus. Who the heck thought it is a great idea to hide the menus, having to click more to go through one main tab in order to reach them? Damn touchscreen devices making all user interfaces crappy...
What your ask is called Vivaldi, It is developed for the original Opera crew, and aims to be what the new opera isn't, a real successor of Opera 12.

Keep in mind that for now is only a preview, it not haven't even reached beta yet (but is developed fast if we keep in mind that the first preview has been published early this year), so is buggy, but already have far more features that Opera.

Note: If you take a loot in the forums, you can found the latest snapshot.


Edit: I'm not use flash, but Firefox randomly drop down the page load speed, and, in some cases, I'm need to hit the reload button or it never end loading.
Post edited November 02, 2015 by DalekSec
Posted November 02, 2015
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Fairfox: I use NoScript too, and Adblock Plus. As a tech noob I had no idea about the background shenanigans with it, I've just had it installed for years and updated when necessary; is it poopy now or something?

The more Firefox changes the more I try and make it like it was half a decade ago.
I've used that combination for years, along with the element hiding addon for ABP. I've had no issues at all. Funny but flash 99% of the time is blocked unless local scripts are enabled, which is sorta a good thing. More than once i've set the main page of search engines (Yahoo, AOL) to hide/remove everything except the search bar textbox. Really cleans them up :P
Posted November 07, 2015
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Fairfox: I use NoScript too, and Adblock Plus. As a tech noob I had no idea about the background shenanigans with it, I've just had it installed for years and updated when necessary; is it poopy now or something?

The more Firefox changes the more I try and make it like it was half a decade ago.
Ublock happened. It has far more efficient engine and consumes tons less of RAM.

Basically, if the reason for noscript was to block mal/adware domains, then ublock origin can do that too - making noscript obsolete. Functions cross.

If, however, you used noscript to manually control the domains, then it is to stay. Ublock can control domains, but not interactively.
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DalekSec: What your ask is called Vivaldi, It is developed for the original Opera crew, and aims to be what the new opera isn't, a real successor of Opera 12.
Its proprietary. This is like using "Adobe Browse", while hating "Adobe Flash".
Post edited November 07, 2015 by Lin545
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