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Breja: Average sword & sorcery from a guy who likes to shit talk Tolkien and C.S. Lewis.
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Darvond: The author, the OP, or both?

Because I can't imagine modern fantasy without either Tolkien or Lewis. Much like I can't imagine Neo-Modern Fantasy without Pratchett or Sci-Fi without Asimov.
Moorcock has written essays in which he reveals that he has a very poor understanding of Tolkien's work (and Lewis's). He misses Tolkien's ideas and themes and instead projects a lot of old British classism on to him, concluding that Tolkien is a comforting upper class/status quo writer who flees from reality into children's fairy tales. Moorcock resents Tolkien's position as an author and seemingly wants to supplant him (or at least replace him with someone Moorcock does like, like Mervyn Peake), but whereas Tolkien simply wrote his books and moved along with his life and interests, not bothered or even bemused by his growing fame, Moorcock can't seem to escape his pulp roots and has to constantly hustle and campaign for people to show respect to his Serious Literary Novels like Mother London.

I do enjoy Moorcock's older works, like the early Elric stories. It's just when he starts sharing his opinions on things, he turns into a petty, pretentious windbag and is best ignored.
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Darvond: The author, the OP, or both?

Because I can't imagine modern fantasy without either Tolkien or Lewis. Much like I can't imagine Neo-Modern Fantasy without Pratchett or Sci-Fi without Asimov.
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andysheets1975: Moorcock has written essays in which he reveals that he has a very poor understanding of Tolkien's work (and Lewis's). He misses Tolkien's ideas and themes and instead projects a lot of old British classism on to him, concluding that Tolkien is a comforting upper class/status quo writer who flees from reality into children's fairy tales. Moorcock resents Tolkien's position as an author and seemingly wants to supplant him (or at least replace him with someone Moorcock does like, like Mervyn Peake), but whereas Tolkien simply wrote his books and moved along with his life and interests, not bothered or even bemused by his growing fame, Moorcock can't seem to escape his pulp roots and has to constantly hustle and campaign for people to show respect to his Serious Literary Novels like Mother London.

I do enjoy Moorcock's older works, like the early Elric stories. It's just when he starts sharing his opinions on things, he turns into a petty, pretentious windbag and is best ignored.
Very well put, +1.
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Breja: That's like saying a spork is greater technological achievement than the Apollo program.
Not really.
You know what would be funny? If CDPR sued these guys because Elric is too similar to Geralt :D:D:D:D:D:D
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Breja: The author.

Pratchett once said that "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji." I guess Moorcock would like to be in that "made a deliberate decision against the mountain" category, though I think he's actually standing on it and pretends he's very tall. But to be entirely fair, I'm not really that familiar with his work, since what I read did not impress me, and his views on the writing of others convinced me he's definitely not an author for me.
Speaking as someone who doesn't like Moorcock, he had pretty large influence on modern fantasy as well, though I would say not so large as Tolkien or Howard, his influence mostly goes to strong influence he had on D&D and Warhammer Fantasy. Modern concept of dark elf owns much to Melniboneans for example, and Elric as a character was copied about 1000 times, it's just often that those copies are sometimes better than the original *cough* Geralt *cough*.
Someone made an entry on the community wishlist, if you already feel like voting at this early stage:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/elric_of_melnibone_runatyr_aurora_punks_upstream_arcade_2024
Post edited November 23, 2021 by Swedrami
As a note of interest. There was a film planned about Elric back in the early 2000s. I actually was asked to audition for that role, and may even still have some of the photoshoots from then. Nothing ever came of it, but it was cool to be asked as a person with Albinism
Post edited November 23, 2021 by JoaoPauloZA
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Breja: Pratchett once said that "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints.
Well Pratchett was full of shit. Subsequent fantasy ground that "mountain" nearly to dust; meanwhile, Howard, Smith, Carter, Dunsany, various sword-and-planet authors, and Moorcock himself (who ripped off Howard and Smith) - whether you like him or not, I certainly don't - are still very much present in the flesh. And that's just regular fantasy; tard girl fantasy (of which there are vastly more titles, if not more copies) owes nothing to any of them. About the only follower of Tolkien (and there weren't many to begin with) who was (and is) still being read in the 21st century is Pratchett himself.
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JoaoPauloZA: As a note of interest. There was a film planned about Elric back in the early 2000s. I actually was asked to audition for that role, and may even still have some of the photoshoots from then. Nothing ever came of it, but it was cool to be asked as a person with Albinism
Very cool indeed! The only earlier Elric live action film project I am aware of was the one by the Weitz brothers, is this that or something else? Would be nice to see the pictures.
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JoaoPauloZA: As a note of interest. There was a film planned about Elric back in the early 2000s. I actually was asked to audition for that role, and may even still have some of the photoshoots from then. Nothing ever came of it, but it was cool to be asked as a person with Albinism
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DiffuseReflection: Very cool indeed! The only earlier Elric live action film project I am aware of was the one by the Weitz brothers, is this that or something else? Would be nice to see the pictures.
I'll try to dig up the old photoshoots from my computer...it was a looong time ago. lol. It was indeed by the Weitz brothers. I think it was going to be Produced by New Line Cinema. I believe it was around 2003 or 2004 that I was asked to do the photos by a director from Troma films of all things. Nothing much ever came from it, but it was cool to fantasize about being in a film when I was a younger guy.

The only audition type photos shoots I have on this PC are from VIKINGS the tv show.
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I'll see if this posts or not. Having a hard time uploading.
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JoaoPauloZA: I'll see if this posts or not. Having a hard time uploading.
Seems quite an appropriate look for Vikings, especially when it would be complemented with some period-appropriate gear and armor! Very different style from Elric's here of course.
Post edited November 24, 2021 by DiffuseReflection
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JoaoPauloZA: I'll see if this posts or not. Having a hard time uploading.
I could see you as Elric after shaving the beard.
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JoaoPauloZA: The only audition type photos shoots I have on this PC are from VIKINGS the tv show.
Did you get a role in Vikings? I can´t remember all the faces. Also, haven´t seen season 6.2 yet.