When my wife says "I can't think right now" I wonder if she is an alien.

I refuse to beleave that we are alone on the universe with how huge it has shown to be so far, chances are that there is some kind of "life" hidden somewhere on it, not necesarly Carbon based.

Chinese communists are aliens, they already here bro

That is incredibly ultracrepidarian of you. The vast majority of archaeology is sifting through old shit pits up to your knees in coprolites.
Castles, villas and temples have VERY LITTLE to do with it - especially as they often still stand and have changed hands more times than can be feasibly counted.

Indeed. the archeological information about the real way of life of an old city is under piles of strata and old organical things. But the common homes are not complete or they are just hidden foundations.

The idea was just to say that if we make conclusions only takng in account the still standing main ruins (tombs everywhere or a well conserved big roman villa, or a temple in stone) we could be mistaken assuming that they were always very religious people or obsessed with the death or all of them richmen. I mean, more things should be taken in account

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You don't have enough knowledge about me to be the judge of that.

No one here should claim he has more knowledge than what you get by visiting dig sites, ancient buildings, museums, reading books and wathing documentaries. My views are as good or bad as yours.

You MIGHT want to read the post again from the beginning to the end and then maybe understand it. There were actually more than two sentences in it.

And I never said it was not hard work (the word "difficult" crosses my mind, I wonder why ...). But all that stuff that's just rotten and gone ... there is just no digging up stuff from the dirt. From the little that's left, one has to immagine how it was back in the days. You can't deny that. Most of the time it's just some pottery and the some tools what's left of the past ages. Most of the rest is just gone. And the past has proven over and over again that the interpretations often were complete bollocks. Often it took many tries until they got it right ... or at least "right" as far as we can tell.

About the "changing hands" aspect: You are absolutely right. We have many such examples here and ever owner tried to leave his mark. Also - if something was in public or church hands - during the past 600 years they documented everything. Who payed how much for buying what from whom, what was the price, if other deals were made, which part of the church was rebuilt when, what was changed. They were very meticulous, THAT is easy to reconstruct - at least for the past 600 years in this region.

Anyway, to get back to the topic: What it really WAS about was that one can easily be mislead by the "big" stuff. Focusing on the stone monuments that are left does not say much about how it really was back then (the pyramids for example: We were lead to believe for millennia that slaves were forced to build them. All of this because of a liberal athenian historian, who lived long after, he just could not immagine it any other way)
All the "proof" for alien visitors ususally turns out to be normal people who were just good at their jobs.

No but we will expand on this and let's say the universe is indeed full of life and discount how rare it is for life to actually start on a planet from zero (considering the mindboggling amount of ways atoms can be put together) and evolve to the point of being able to have limited space exploration.

If we consider this and expect other lifeforms to have semi realistic physiology since they are in same universe and made up of the same stuff like carbon and other stuff the sun contains like hydrogen, helium etc, the time it take to travel here would make it impossible unless they had some serious movie level science going on for prolonging their lifespans not to mention having created self repairing AI spaceships to last literally forever but even if the aliens had all this and more, why would they visit us ?

Since i believe in realistic answers i must say no to visitation.

But as ChrisG and others pointed out, there is a difference between existence and visitation.

I am quite sure that life exists on other planets. After all we know that the probability of life occuring is non-zero. Otherwise we wouldn't exist. We also know that the universe is vast, maybe even infinite (beyond our event horizon) and that, at least in our galaxy, around half the stars have a planetary system of some kind. Any non-zero chance multiplied by infinity (or even only an unimaginably large number) results in a near certainty that the conditions, that give rise to life, will occur on more than one planet.

However, then we have time and space to consider. One: the universe is vast, as already stated. So vast, indeed, that light is slow compared to it's dimensions. So the likelihood of life being in communication distance (much less travel distance) is low. The probability of that life being of a comparable technological development level within the short existence of humanity is even lower. (yes, the some 100.000 years we have been around is short on universal time scale). And even if we hypothesize that faster than light travel is possible, the probability that some technologically advanced aliens decide to come by our small spot in the vast universe is very, very small too. So the probability of visitation is near zero, even if life should be a quite wide spread phenomenon on universal scale.


So basically the only way how extraterrestrial life could happen to come here would be if they have the infinite improbability drive. Because, as we all know, this makes very improbable events quite probable indeed. Which means, if you ever meet someone named Ford Prefect, tag along and hitch a ride with him.

* SPOILER WARNING for the comic Watchmen *

This is weird, but what he say is exactly the twist ending of Watchmen, which came in 1987 too.

And Watchmen was by far not the first story covering that. A common thread from outside uniting earth happened in several stories in books and movies from the 60s.

Using a false alien invasion has been an idea that has "been around" since the early 1900's.

If you follow certain circles, the War of the Worlds broadcast was an early test to see how the public would respond to what they thought was a real invasion.

With the ability to project what look to be 3D holograms into the atmosphere (which does exist), some claim we are very close to a false invasion.

That probability calculation can also be used to "prove" (near certainty) the existence of just about anything in the universe. An example: the probability of you existing is non zero, so it's nearly certain that at least one exact copy of you exists "out there".

Sidenote: The formation of life process (on earth) still hasn't left the hypothesis stage. More reading material: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Since at least HG Wells' War of the Worlds, there has been the idea of war-like aliens with various governments speculating on ways to use that perception to their advantage (Project Blue Beam being only one of the latest).

Starting in earnest during the early 1970's, there seemed a movement to depict aliens as peaceful (ie Close Encounters, E.T., etc.) as often as war-like. The general idea that aliens may -- instead of war -- be here to enable humanity's evolution, became an equally common theme. Again, certain elements of governments have looked at using the public's openness to aliens' potential altruism to their (government's) advantage. A potential change in strategy?

And amid this "change in messaging" came the added wrinkle -- that the aliens were warning of ecologic catastrophe should we not "change our ways." Interestingly this came as a Native American cried on television over the degrading environment, Earth Day was launched, and ecologic disaster became common talk on news broadcasts (ozone depletion was a common story of the 70's and 80's).

Whether physical or psychological, aliens have certainly taken to the public imagination... and whenever Earth events become overwhelming, we seem to see leaked footage like those of the US Navy or testimony of people like former Canadian Minister of Defense Paul Hellyer. Whether aliens were malicious or beneficial seemed to have been dependent on societies' other issues at any moment.

Like a WWII movie made in the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc... it tells you more about the time in which it was made than the reality of WWII. The same seems to be of alien movies and information.

Lastly, just because alien visitation (and we still haven't spoken on cattle mutilations) swirls in a cloud of manipulation -- a psychological operation -- it doesn't mean that visitation is particularly untrue. It's possible that both are happening concurrently. It's possible that alien visitation has happened and we still have very little idea of the who, what, where, and why's (although Hellyer certainly claimed otherwise... as did Milton William Cooper).

But whatever truth there is...

... there is an alien phenomenon, either physical, psychological, or both...

... and there are governments and agencies that use information on phenomenon -- either physical, psychological, or both -- for leverage and control.

My two cents?

I believe most certainly there is life "out there" -- and potentially inter-dimensionally -- and we may have made contact, but...

... I think it is much more likely that "we" -- or elements of our governments -- are constantly looking for control mechanisms... and aliens are a wonderful bogeyman and scapegoat. Want to run experiments without the fear of Nuremberg code? aliens. Want to make your enemies fear your technology? potential association with aliens. Want to battle an ecologic "crisis?" aliens demand it. Want to spy without getting "called out?" aliens.

Genesis 7:11 ►
When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky.

Genesis 8:2
The underground waters stopped flowing, and the torrential rains from the sky were stopped.

Jude 1:9
But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses’ body.)

2 Peter 2-3:5
3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;

from myself
Fallen Angels on Earth might be considered evil Aliens that cannot leave until judgment day, while Good Angels are trying to help us to develop spiritual power, to protect us from wishing bad to others and excess pride (cause of fall).- just wanted to share this point of view reading this extraterrestrial thread ^ thank you!

are u a scientologist? cause this is what they believe in