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I'm sure CDPR knows their livelihood is at stake with Cyberpunk and will be putting all their resources into fixing it over the coming months. Whether they bounce back will depend on if they learn the right lessons from this debacle and not let hubris determine their actions again.
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Niggles: A Lawsuit for that?. If someone doesn't like the game. Get a refund. Simple yes?.
The situation is extremely overblown, like most "gaming news" when you tube influencers start "reporting on it."
You gotta remember, ti's stockholders who are suing gog. They're suing because they mishandled CP2077, and didn't make enough profit. In other words, these are people who can milk CDP (and gog), but didn't get enough. CDP (and gog) are not going away any time soon: the big picture would be a change in management as the end-game objective. They want the power to continue to milk CDP.

EDIT: That said, mass download your games using GOGrepo. You should be doing this, anyway, regardless of the lawsuit. I imagine new management will occur if all goes successful, so you should consider the fact that the new management could be better, or worse. GOG isn't going away, but we don't know about their commitment to DRM under the new management (let alone the old management).
Post edited January 04, 2021 by kohlrak
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thefallenalchemist: Do I need to mass download all of my games just in case this place goes down? I
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Sure do. That's always been a risk. GOG's always been on thin ice financially AFAIK. And their terrible decisions this year have just been helping the ship sink even faster than ever, most likely.

I wouldn't say "the lawsuit" has a chance of shutting down GOG.

But the hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of customers who will no longer buy from GOG due to their decision to ban Devotion to appease the CCP...and also because they decided to start including DRM in their singleplayer games, and directly selling EGS-DRM'ed games...those things might well shut down GOG.
in theory if you loss the data etc, but have a receipt that you bought a license you basic are allow to pirate download the game (and install it on "one" single PC"

so the data ain't imported but the "key" is.
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thefallenalchemist: I'm asking a very serious question here. I'm not looking to get into drama or anything like that. But profits were low last year for GOG and CDPR just lost a billion dollars, not to mention their stock prices sinking. Next we have the impending lawsuit.

How could this effect GOG? Do I need to mass download all of my games just in case this place goes down? I'm very worried about this because I use the site to primarily buy games.
One possibility of this happening is that those currently in control get outed due to lawsuit/investors. Then the next logical step would be to separate CDPR from GOG due to profit discrepancy - this is often done. And the next step then would be to sell GOG because this will give more money to investors than the ~zero profit they could otherwise make. After that the one buying it will make nice promises and then sooner or later dismantle or remake GOG.
For anybody never following financial news: This kind of thing (the second part) happens frequently for companies or significant parts of companies. The first part (replace decision makers) however requires investors taking action. Edit: Or the management/board taking preemptive action to not get outed.
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wolfsite: Many articles are stating that after refunds CDP still sold 13 Million copies of CP2077 so that does give them a fair amount of money right there if all those copies sold at the current base price and factoring production and such.
Question though: What is considered a 'refund'? The refund requests on GOG or only those which already have been accepted by staff?
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PixelBoy: Anyway, if there will be any real consequences, my guess is that GOG would be separated from the game developing company and CD Projekt family, because it would be weird to kill two companies when only one is actually being targeted.

It would actually be a good thing to separate GOG from the rest and make it a niche store that it once was. Some will disagree, but that's my opinion. GOG would also benefit from being someone's primary business, rather than being a side project of a bigger company.
Due to the way shareholder companies work this may easily end up with GOG being bought by a competitor.

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SomeGuy8504: As much as people seem to harp on GOG's current way of doing things, the fact still stands that your games are totally safe even if GOG goes down because you've got full ownership of everything you buy on here (please read the fine print about DLC and such that are DRM'd even on GOG copies of games).
What are you referring to with DRMed DLCs?

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SomeGuy8504: Still, if even just 1 million of all the copies of Cyberpunk were sold on GOG, that alone should keep this company afloat since 100% of the money went to them directly, right?
If GOG is split off from CDPR then GOG getting sold or not will depend more on expected future profits than on how much cash they have now.


Edit 2: typo
Post edited January 07, 2021 by Zrevnur
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Slick_JMista: Nothing lasts forever. You should make it a priority to backup your offline installers onto a hard disk drive as a rule.
That is certainly valid for hard drives, they do not last forever ;)
Post edited January 07, 2021 by acute71
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thefallenalchemist: Do I need to mass download all of my games just in case this place goes down? I
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Sure do. That's always been a risk. GOG's always been on thin ice financially AFAIK. And their terrible decisions this year have just been helping the ship sink even faster than ever, most likely.

I wouldn't say "the lawsuit" has a chance of shutting down GOG.

But the hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of customers who will no longer buy from GOG due to their decision to ban Devotion to appease the CCP...and also because they decided to start including DRM in their singleplayer games, and directly selling EGS-DRM'ed games...those things might well shut down GOG.
Okay sir, you are greatly exaggerating the Devotion situation. Maybe a couple hundred or a thousand, but not tens and hundreds of thousands. At most, you have a bunch of angry people who are not even regular GOG customers coming from Twitter to complain and say "you'll lose my business" when they never even had it to begin with. These people are loyal to steam anyway and some had never even heard of GOG before the Devotion situation. A lot of people generally do not like GOG because it is not steam. Silly, but definitely true.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Sure do. That's always been a risk. GOG's always been on thin ice financially AFAIK. And their terrible decisions this year have just been helping the ship sink even faster than ever, most likely.

I wouldn't say "the lawsuit" has a chance of shutting down GOG.

But the hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of customers who will no longer buy from GOG due to their decision to ban Devotion to appease the CCP...and also because they decided to start including DRM in their singleplayer games, and directly selling EGS-DRM'ed games...those things might well shut down GOG.
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thefallenalchemist: Okay sir, you are greatly exaggerating the Devotion situation. Maybe a couple hundred or a thousand, but not tens and hundreds of thousands.
Do you have some evidence that "tens of thousands" is an exaggeration?

That there are a lot (obviously more than tens of thousands) taking issue with this is supported by evidence:
See for example stats of this - 350K views, 20K likes, 18:1 like-dislike ratio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jlck33_q30
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rtcvb32: Is the 'Lawsuit' more than people farting at the sky and hoping for a tornado? (Those throwing out 'possible' lawsuits without an actual one being done)
Well if their investor lawsuits are anything like US investor lawsuits, I'd be shocked if it amounted to anything more than that. Heck, my previous employer alone had like three of those. And a billion-dollar goodwill writedown in one sitting, this for a company that never had a market cap of more than a couple B. They kept on truckin'...
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thefallenalchemist: Okay sir, you are greatly exaggerating the Devotion situation. Maybe a couple hundred or a thousand, but not tens and hundreds of thousands.
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Zrevnur: Do you have some evidence that "tens of thousands" is an exaggeration?

That there are a lot (obviously more than tens of thousands) taking issue with this is supported by evidence:
See for example stats of this - 350K views, 20K likes, 18:1 like-dislike ratio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jlck33_q30
How about the thread in this forum (much more regular GoG users) with not even 50 people who wanted to be added to the "not buying anymore" list?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/page1

Youtubeclicks say nothing. In fact they can be bought very cheap and easy if you want to go that way.

And I suspect the list in the gog forum will follow the same path as the boycotting CoD group on steam.

Maybe it is something you havn't learned yet.
The most vocal group doesn't have to be the biggest group.
They might be just loud but without much influence.
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Zrevnur: Do you have some evidence that "tens of thousands" is an exaggeration?

That there are a lot (obviously more than tens of thousands) taking issue with this is supported by evidence:
See for example stats of this - 350K views, 20K likes, 18:1 like-dislike ratio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jlck33_q30
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randomuser.833: How about the thread in this forum (much more regular GoG users) with not even 50 people who wanted to be added to the "not buying anymore" list?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/page1

Youtubeclicks say nothing. In fact they can be bought very cheap and easy if you want to go that way.

And I suspect the list in the gog forum will follow the same path as the boycotting CoD group on steam.

Maybe it is something you havn't learned yet.
The most vocal group doesn't have to be the biggest group.
They might be just loud but without much influence.
the biggest group is always the dont care group , their opinion doesnt matter at all cause they dont care anyway and have no opinions
the second biggest group is ours, who dont like these changes, but most of us are not vocal about it ,most just accept things change and stop buying here
then are some who don't mind the bad changes, at least these know they are wrong and won't post much
and then at the bottom are those who attack others wanting better treatment, these are the most horrible people ever, but these are the most active as they love mocking others, which requires activity

oh and this is not gog specific you can apply this to nearly anything
Post edited January 13, 2021 by Orkhepaj
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Zrevnur: Do you have some evidence that "tens of thousands" is an exaggeration?

That there are a lot (obviously more than tens of thousands) taking issue with this is supported by evidence:
See for example stats of this - 350K views, 20K likes, 18:1 like-dislike ratio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jlck33_q30
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randomuser.833: How about the thread in this forum (much more regular GoG users) with not even 50 people who wanted to be added to the "not buying anymore" list?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/page1
In order for this to be proper evidence several conditions would have to be fulfilled, you would have to provide more information. This is a simple logical thing. Like some conclusion from popularity of a "random" thread in the forum vs this thread in the forum. And knowledge about the absolute number of potential boycotters. Also a relation of being a boycotter vs actually posting in this thread if being aware of this thread. Etc. Basically some formula to extrapolate the numbers in this thread onto the absolute number of boycotters. Otherwise the only thing this thread implies (edit: in terms of the context of potential lack of popularity of boycotting) is a potential lack of evidence of popularity of boycotting.

Maybe it is something you havn't learned yet.
The most vocal group doesn't have to be the biggest group.
They might be just loud but without much influence.
Maybe you havent yet learned the difference between questioning a statement and believing the opposite to be true.
Post edited January 13, 2021 by Zrevnur
Both of you worked a lot on your skills in mind bending?

Syrsly.
One is telling a tale about a big but silent group leaving.
Because of what?
A mediocre game not being released? Most won't even know the game.

Putting everyone not being your opinion in the "you know you are wrong group" is just hilarious. Putting yourself into the position of the guy on the right side of history and moral - even more.
At last one thing is right in your post.

You attack others.
But seems like you learned from the best.
In mind bending and riding the attack as "defense". I have to say, it is fun to watch, but something I never took serious.


And wanting an evidance, after claiming tens of thousends will leave. Without a proper evidence for such a way off claim.
Because of the clicks a youtube video got as "evidence".
Want to bet, that at last 95% aren't even got customers. Never were and never will?

Claiming it is more about the gog users, then a long lasting thread directly in the main forum of GoG.
And to be honest, without the forum or following social media to a bid degree, you wouldn't even have notice.


Lord in heaven, do you guys reflect sometimes what you are saying?
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randomuser.833: Both of you worked a lot on your skills in mind bending?

Syrsly.
One is telling a tale about a big but silent group leaving.
Because of what?
A mediocre game not being released? Most won't even know the game.

Putting everyone not being your opinion in the "you know you are wrong group" is just hilarious. Putting yourself into the position of the guy on the right side of history and moral - even more.
At last one thing is right in your post.

You attack others.
But seems like you learned from the best.
In mind bending and riding the attack as "defense". I have to say, it is fun to watch, but something I never took serious.

And wanting an evidance, after claiming tens of thousends will leave. Without a proper evidence for such a way off claim.
Because of the clicks a youtube video got as "evidence".
Want to bet, that at last 95% aren't even got customers. Never were and never will?

Claiming it is more about the gog users, then a long lasting thread directly in the main forum of GoG.
And to be honest, without the forum or following social media to a bid degree, you wouldn't even have notice.

Lord in heaven, do you guys reflect sometimes what you are saying?
You've said everything I was going to say with far fewer words. Thank you.
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randomuser.833: Both of you worked a lot on your skills in mind bending?

Syrsly.
One is telling a tale about a big but silent group leaving.
Because of what?
A mediocre game not being released? Most won't even know the game.

Putting everyone not being your opinion in the "you know you are wrong group" is just hilarious. Putting yourself into the position of the guy on the right side of history and moral - even more.
At last one thing is right in your post.

You attack others.
But seems like you learned from the best.
In mind bending and riding the attack as "defense". I have to say, it is fun to watch, but something I never took serious.
I see neither facts nor logic there in your response. Edit: In the context of responding to it. (There is at least one fact in there.)

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randomuser.833: And wanting an evidance, after claiming tens of thousends will leave.
I am not the one who made the claim. I am not sure that claim was even made - I wouldnt have interpreted the respective statement like that. I was the one asking for evidence on a response to that "claim". So maybe get your facts straight if you want to discuss that.

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randomuser.833: Without a proper evidence for such a way off claim.
Because of the clicks a youtube video got as "evidence".
Did you actually read what I wrote? See https://www.gog.com/forum/general/could_the_lawsuit_cause_gog_to_be_shutdown/post38 I did not claim this was evidence for 'tens of thousands leaving GOG'.

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randomuser.833: Want to bet, that at last 95% aren't even got customers. Never were and never will?
No, I dont want to bet. My guess is that >5% are or were or will be GOG customers though.

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randomuser.833: Claiming it is more about the gog users, then a long lasting thread directly in the main forum of GoG.
I did not make that claim.

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randomuser.833: And to be honest, without the forum or following social media to a bid degree, you wouldn't even have notice.
Wrong. It was in the news all over the internet and I saw it there.

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randomuser.833: Lord in heaven, do you guys reflect sometimes what you are saying?
Maybe reflect on your own lack of attention? If you want to discuss this maybe get your facts straight instead of making wild and wrong accusations/statements like in this post.
Post edited January 14, 2021 by Zrevnur