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ElTerprise: From a modern viewpoint it's pretty easy to twist that numbers by not taking several parts of combattants into account. I read somewhere that the french had 10,000 knights and men-at-arms alone which means those numbers you mentioned ignore all the additional combattants (additional cavalry, infantry and archery)
As I said, people now twist things, or rather "re-interporate" them, which seems to be the new buzz word. The problem is with history is that there are already lots of new books, so in order for one to sell the author has to try a new angle. But I hate that, history should be kept accurate, not twisted just for a new angle. It happens all over the world sadly, especially these days due to the number of people writing books.

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toxicTom: *BIG Sunday hugs*

You're going on vacation? That's really nice! When, and for how long (just that we know you're not K.O. again)?

:-)
I am indeed. We have been planning it for a little while. I will be leaving mid week next week for a few weeks. Not sure how long, it all depends on how my health is. It is kind of a birthday/anniversary thing, as my partners birthday is in November and it was on the 30th October last year that I proposed, so we thought it a nice time for a little holiday, especially as my health is still not too good and we don't know what the future will have in store.

So no worries, I won't probably be dead. As I said last time, if I am not back for a month then consider me dead. But I want a Viking/Anglo-Saxon burial, which means being cremated with all my stuff, that way none of you lot can get your greedy hands on my GOG games. ;-)
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ddickinson: They are indeed. I love my longbow. There is over 100lb of pressure needed to fully fire the arrow. Plus it was armour piercing. It is my favourite of all the bows I have used. Although I can't use it for too long before my arm gets tired. Despite how games and movies show them archers were usually quite strong, and more than capable of using a sword/spear as well as the bow.
Understandable. I mean thanks to the higher fire rate it is more powerful than a crossbow.

I'd love to try some bows as well at some point. Didn't you can still use a longbow today :)
Good moaning.

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ddickinson: Happy Saint Crispin's Day! The day in which 600 years ago we killed tens of thousands of those evil French frog killers. :-)
(Unless you read that book from that woman who just makes crap up and twists facts to change the number of soldiers. Why must people lie about history just to sell a book.)

A rare Sunday visit from me. My partner is having to work a little today due to us going on vacation soon, so I figures I would see what you boys get up to while the rest of us are away. :-)

*hugs and waves*

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Stilton: You've got that completely wrong, Agent - the clocks here have gone back to the 13th of October 1066. Word has it that tomorrow there's going to be a bit of trouble with a large number of owls...
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ddickinson: The Normans were Vikings, not French. :-)

And why not go back 600 years? Today is the 600th anniversary of the Battle of Agincourt. :-)
Aaah the deceitful Albion retelling its old battles. I remember being taught that Boudica was a heroic feminist freedom fighter, instead of some cannibalistic madwoman.

I like her more in the second version actually.
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ElTerprise: Understandable. I mean thanks to the higher fire rate it is more powerful than a crossbow.

I'd love to try some bows as well at some point. Didn't you can still use a longbow today :)
The English Longbow was unmatched, which is why it was so useful and still used even after the introduction of gunpowder. The problem was it took time to master the skill, up to a year to do it properly, whereas a crossbow took about a week, and a gun about a day.

Archery is very fun. I prefer the old fashioned kind, not those modern bows with all the pulleys and counter-weights. I am not sure if it is illegal, I guess so in public etc, but the nice thing about having a farm and owning lots of land is that I get to have fun. :-)
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ddickinson: As I said, people now twist things, or rather "re-interporate" them, which seems to be the new buzz word. The problem is with history is that there are already lots of new books, so in order for one to sell the author has to try a new angle. But I hate that, history should be kept accurate, not twisted just for a new angle. It happens all over the world sadly, especially these days due to the number of people writing books.
Yes. That's an unfortunate trend in history although i wouldn't generally condemn that as long as the newer approaches are based on newly discovered facts and not for the sake of selling books. But then again history as well as many other sciences is not objective.
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j0ekerr: Aaah the deceitful Albion retelling its old battles. I remember being taught that Boudica was a heroic feminist freedom fighter, instead of some cannibalistic madwoman.

I like her more in the second version actually.
Erm, you do know she was not a cannibal. There is no evidence of any cannibalism in Britain even dating back to the stone age. And she did defeat two of the greatest Roman legions, so that can be seen as heroic. I mean, they raped her and her daughters, killed her husband, tortured her, and if she had been more strategically minded she could have defeated Roman forces in England.

And I still remember that you were taught that English solders during the Civil War were Hobbits, despite the average heigh being just an inch or so less than today. So I would take what Spain says with a pinch of salt given how much you seem to hate us. :-)

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ElTerprise: Yes. That's an unfortunate trend in history although i wouldn't generally condemn that as long as the newer approaches are based on newly discovered facts and not for the sake of selling books. But then again history as well as many other sciences is not objective.
I have no problem with new proven facts, such as the recent discovery of Richard III's body, which has confirmed a few things about his appearance and possible cause of death. But most is just speculation, and that should be clearly labelled as such, not as though it is now fact.
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ddickinson: They are indeed. I love my longbow. There is over 100lb of pressure needed to fully fire the arrow. Plus it was armour piercing. It is my favourite of all the bows I have used. Although I can't use it for too long before my arm gets tired. Despite how games and movies show them archers were usually quite strong, and more than capable of using a sword/spear as well as the bow.
The main problem the longbow had was that you needed years of training before you were able to shoot anything other than your own backside.

Whereas the crossbow you just pointed and shot.
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j0ekerr: The main problem the longbow had was that you needed years of training before you were able to shoot anything other than your own backside.

Whereas the crossbow you just pointed and shot.
I know, I said that to ELT a few posts ago. But remember than in England many people used it from a young age, King Henry VIII made it law that most men had to train with it once they come of age. It took about a year to use it properly, and more to truly master it. Guns and crossbows were much easier, which is why they soon dominated the battlefield as it took about a week or less to use them, most of the time just using the whole fire and hope you hit something theory.

I seem to recall that the Pope once outlawed the use of a crossbow against other Christians, but no on seemed to listen.
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ddickinson: [history]

So you would rather have frogs over fish-and-chips? :-)

Good day, Mr Agent! I hope you are having a nice weekend?

*big return hug*
That's too many people. I didn't realize battles were so deadly back then ,ô__ô,

I've never tried frogs, but a certain feathered individual who will remain nameless recommended it to me. So yes, right now, I'd rather have frogs, because I've heard great things and can't wait to try :-)

The weekend has been pretty rough for me so far. Nothing serious (or even interesting), just not feeling my best these last couple of days. I'm sure™ I'll be feeling like my cheery self™ again soon™ :-)

*big return hug*
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ddickinson: Erm, you do know she was not a cannibal. There is no evidence of any cannibalism in Britain even dating back to the stone age. And she did defeat two of the greatest Roman legions, so that can be seen as heroic. I mean, they raped her and her daughters, killed her husband, tortured her, and if she had been more strategically minded she could have defeated Roman forces in England.

And I still remember that you were taught that English solders during the Civil War were Hobbits, despite the average heigh being just an inch or so less than today. So I would take what Spain says with a pinch of salt given how much you seem to hate us. :-)

I have no problem with new proven facts, such as the recent discovery of Richard III's body, which has confirmed a few things about his appearance and possible cause of death. But most is just speculation, and that should be clearly labelled as such, not as though it is now fact.
My dear Albionite, why would I be taught about Boudica here? No one has ever heard of her. much less care. Aside from a very few celt-nerds.

Are you saying she didn't eat the heart and brains of her fallen enemies? Or burn their captured enemies in giant wicker men? What a wuss! I'm disappoint.

You keep your version, I prefer mine. And until the moment we find a Tardis, they're both valid.
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ddickinson: So no worries, I won't probably be dead. As I said last time, if I am not back for a month then consider me dead. But I want a Viking/Anglo-Saxon burial, which means being cremated with all my stuff, that way none of you lot can get your greedy hands on my GOG games. ;-)
We'll print out your library and burn it along with you... ;-)

Are staying in Britain or are you going to some place with nice weather?
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ddickinson: The English Longbow was unmatched, which is why it was so useful and still used even after the introduction of gunpowder. The problem was it took time to master the skill, up to a year to do it properly, whereas a crossbow took about a week, and a gun about a day.

Archery is very fun. I prefer the old fashioned kind, not those modern bows with all the pulleys and counter-weights. I am not sure if it is illegal, I guess so in public etc, but the nice thing about having a farm and owning lots of land is that I get to have fun. :-)
Yes. Well at that moment the muskets became more precise they were outdated after all....but unitl then i can imagine that they were invaluable.

Afaik in Germany those old bows are allowed if you use them in a archery club or something like that but honestly i'm not sure about that - having a farm surely is an advantage then :)
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ddickinson: I know, I said that to ELT a few posts ago. But remember than in England many people used it from a young age, King Henry VIII made it law that most men had to train with it once they come of age. It took about a year to use it properly, and more to truly master it. Guns and crossbows were much easier, which is why they soon dominated the battlefield as it took about a week or less to use them, most of the time just using the whole fire and hope you hit something theory.

I seem to recall that the Pope once outlawed the use of a crossbow against other Christians, but no on seemed to listen.
I seem to remember it had to do something with a lowly dirty peasant being able to kill a fully armored knight with it. Which was something you just couldn't have in "civilized" warfare.
And I think I read something about the longbow actually having even greater range, due to the archers being able to shoot in a parabollic trajectory. Or course you needed years to be able to hit anything at all using that trick.
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ddickinson: I have no problem with new proven facts, such as the recent discovery of Richard III's body, which has confirmed a few things about his appearance and possible cause of death. But most is just speculation, and that should be clearly labelled as such, not as though it is now fact.
Absolutely - but not labelling speculation properly is a general problem nowadays (especially on the internet)....
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ElTerprise: Yes. That's an unfortunate trend in history although i wouldn't generally condemn that as long as the newer approaches are based on newly discovered facts and not for the sake of selling books. But then again history as well as many other sciences is not objective.
History... a science... I think Groucho Marx once said something about that.