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MeowCanuck: If your brother lives 900 miles away and you're don't live there long enough for it to be considered your household, you're clearly abusing the system. Plain and simple.
I would restrict it even further. For me, same household is spouse, minor dependants and possibly dependant elderly parents or disabled siblings you are living with and taking care of. That's it.

Anybody else, if you are not flat broke, you can buy them a copy if you really love the game and want to share. That way, you can both share the game and support the developers at the same time.

Lets remember that while gaming revenues are high overall, the competition is fierce and not every game developer is rolling in money.
Post edited August 20, 2021 by Magnitus
Same household is a bit too vague to me, same family is much better.

If I can share with one of my kids who lives in my home, why cannot I share with another who doesn't. How the hell does geography come into it or age etc. There are many split families out there due to divorce etc, and the kids are already penalized enough. It shouldn't matter if they are even living on the other side of the planet, or all grown up, they are still your child etc.

I will certainly be leaving my games to all my children in my will, other foolish legal notions be damned.

There are plenty of bad people out there, that actually do do the wrong thing, and they should be focused on, not family members doing natural acts of family.
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Timboli: I will certainly be leaving my games to all my children in my will, other foolish legal notions be damned.

There are plenty of bad people out there, that actually do do the wrong thing, and they should be focused on, not family members doing natural acts of family.
At the very least, I intend to bequeath it to one of my heirs (probably the one who enjoys gaming the most) if it even matters (ex: if the games are not already widely available for free) at that point.

Realistically, it will be another 30-40 years at the very least and I believe that copyright lasts for too long.

I think the emphasis should be put on monetizing the work within a reasonable timeframe after its release, Not lock it away forever and enable rentier lifestyles.
Post edited August 20, 2021 by Magnitus
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Timboli: Same household is a bit too vague to me, same family is much better.
Household is a lot less vague than "family". The definition of family is made by local laws and many still define it like it's 1899.
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Yeah. Just put the files on your phone or any other way you can transfer files and then send them over to them. Fuck GOG.
Post edited August 20, 2021 by ministry86
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teceem: Household is a lot less vague than "family". The definition of family is made by local laws and many still define it like it's 1899.
I think for tax and other legal reasons, most places probably have a clear definition of the following at least:
- Your spouse
- Your underage children or otherwise dependant minors under your charge

Under household however, I think it would be sketchy, for example, to pass your games to your roomate that you might be sharing an appartment with for, at most, a couple of years.
Post edited August 20, 2021 by Magnitus
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Magnitus: - Your spouse
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/7
Party like it's 1899!

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Magnitus: Under household however, I think it would be sketchy, for example, to pass your games to your roomate that you might be sharing an appartment with for, at most, a couple of years.
It's not sketchy at all; people living in the same dwelling = part of the same household, so including roommates. The relationship, future, past, etc. is irrelevant.

But if this is going to be about politics: I'm out!
Post edited August 20, 2021 by teceem
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teceem: But if this is going to be about politics: I'm out!
Defining "household" isn't political. I agree with teceem in this case.

I'd treat it your games like a console game. My interpretation:

1. Anyone visiting or living in your house / apartment can play it on your PCs inside the house.
(This allows flexibility to remove unnecessary obstacles like letting your friends demo games.)

2. You shouldn't lend the game to people living outside your household. Lending non-household people your PC or notebook for an indefinite amount of time loaded with your library shouldn't bypass this.
(This is to encourage people to buy their own copy.)

3. If you do lend a game to non-household member (within a reasonable vicinity and situation), you're limited to sharing that lent copy with one person at a time and you're not allowed to play that same game during the duration of that lending. When they do return it, they must uninstall all versions and copies of the game from their PCs, storage, etc. If they did anything illegal with their copy with the game, that legal burden should be placed on you, the original license owner.
(Treated the same as lending out a book, movies, console game, etc.)

4. For MP games without official LAN support, people in your house will need to buy a 2nd copy if you want to play simultaneously with each other.
(There is no legal way around this because you must agree to the terms and conditions to use third-party servers.)

With a couple other exceptions I can't think of now, everything else is piracy.
Post edited August 20, 2021 by MeowCanuck
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teceem: Household is a lot less vague than "family". The definition of family is made by local laws and many still define it like it's 1899.
I am Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod :P. What happens when you own multiple houses though? Asking for a friend who's a billionaire.

I would not share your account with others, that's certainly off the table. Letting others play your games in certain cases is fine. I own a lot of "hidden object" games I did not buy for myself and will never play, which I installed on a family member's computer. I call that fair use, though it may not be as per the letter of the law. Needless to say, that family member would never have the interest or skill to create their own GOG account. We are not in the same household.

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Timboli: I will certainly be leaving my games to all my children in my will, other foolish legal notions be damned.
Your account is null and void legally the moment you die. Now, if you choose to become a vampire and live forever by taking on the names and bodies of your children, I don't think anyone will mind...

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Timboli: There are plenty of bad people out there, that actually do do the wrong thing, and they should be focused on, not family members doing natural acts of family.
... but then you'd be doing an unnatural act of family, now wouldn't you? :P
Post edited August 20, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
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WinterSnowfall: I am Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod :P. What happens when you own multiple houses though? Asking for a friend who's a billionaire.
You have only one registered address per person though. There can be only one!
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teceem: You have only one registered address per person though. There can be only one!
You address the collective. We are many. Resistance is futile!
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teceem: Household is a lot less vague than "family". The definition of family is made by local laws and many still define it like it's 1899.
What about a large household or a renter one, where non family members reside.

Family is specific, and notice how I never even mentioned parents or siblings or cousins.

It's always down to local laws anyway, as Steam found out with Aussie laws and had to backflip, same with some European laws I believe.

I believe in ethics, morals and justice, where fairness has a role. If Laws don't too, then I don't have any respect for them.

Australian Laws, at least some of them, recognize that not everyone, in fact probably about 99.9% of people never read a EULA, and if they do most of them don't really understand it. So fine print is all well and good, but it doesn't always stand up in a court of law.
Legally? Not exactly.

Hypothetically? Stick a bunch of installers on a USB drive, who's gonna know? Just ask them to uninstall their copies when they're done and you'll have a fairly transparent CYA.
Post edited August 21, 2021 by Darvond
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WinterSnowfall: Your account is null and void legally the moment you die. Now, if you choose to become a vampire and live forever by taking on the names and bodies of your children, I don't think anyone will mind...
It might be that way to you and whatever fools make up such a greedy silly law, but it doesn't mean that to me or my family, and many would agree with me. I personally would consider it illegal to make my account so.

In any case, how would GOG for instance even know I died.
My wife or one of my kids could take over my account quite easily, even change the email address to theirs, change the password, even the name etc etc.

And we could be talking 5, 10, 20, 30 years etc into the future. GOG may not even be around.

Then because I am far seeing I have already downloaded all my games to multiple drives anyway, and now and then keep up with updates, so my GOG account is not crucial really. ;)

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WinterSnowfall: ... but then you'd be doing an unnatural act of family, now wouldn't you? :P
I have no clue what you are on about. Nothing unnatural about sharing what you own with your family. :P
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summitus: Can I share my Gog library with family and friends like you can on Steam ? Can't seem to find the option.
If you want to do that, you neither ask nor announce it. You just do it and keep quiet. Just make sure to let them know that they should never use Galaxy, just the standalone installers you provide them with (cough, Telemetry, cough)!