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General discussionBoycotting DRM and Game Censorship on GOG, 2021-2022(5216 posts) (5216 posts) 
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Posted July 10, 2022
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nightcraw1er.488: Again, to be fair though, the supermarket has a responsibility for what it’s selling. If Tesco started selling beans for men only, they would be shut down so fast! So forget the Linux part, it’s GOG’s responsibility for what they sell here, I mean the whole “curation” and such like.
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randomuser.833: A supermarked buys product, owns them and sells them.
Tesco buyed the beans from the producer and owns them now before they sell them to you.
There can be some things in the contract what they are allowed to do, but if there are not, they own them and they can do with them what the fuck they want.
Tesco will get its money from the difference in the price they had to pay and in the price you will have to pay.

GoG is someone who supplies a place where someone who wants to sell and someone who wants to buy can come together and is taking over all the legal process of the selling for the one who wants to sell for a fee.

Using your example.
Tesco would give some space for displaying the beans to the producer of the beans and would take over billing process for them, while getting some money for every sold can of beans from the sell price.
In that case the one who wants to sell the beans makes the rules.
Tesco could only say yes or no to the rules. If they say no, the one who sells their beans will go elsewhere.

GoG and Tesco are 2 very different types of sales places. You have to understand that in the first place.
They are very different in how who owns stuff, they are very different in how the process works, they are very different in their legal definition.

GoG could refuse to take a game when the seller is unwillingly to provide a Linux version and justifies it in the way, that they will only lose money if they did.
Because nobody want to lose money by supporting stuff that does pay its bill.

So they would not only anger they one who wants to sell here, so that they will think twice about coming back, they will also refuse to bring the game for 99% of their customers just to please a very vocal 1%.

So they take what they can get.
Yes, and this is exactly why hitman, gwent, cyberpunk and all the other drm’d, online gated, account required, etc. things are here as GOG has become pretty much open doors. There is no curation, perhaps there is some discussion about wether they will make any money off of something, but for actual quality, user protections, updates, those kind of things it’s gone right out of the window. This thread is clear example of this lack of ownership, I mean what next we get Skyrim but with denuvo rootkit, and GOG just can’t do anything about? And then there is galaxy, for decades we have complained about steam creating a monopoly, enticing and trapping users in their infrastructure with the client, and what are gog doing? Exactly the same thing, sure those who support galaxy say it’s optional but let’s face it if you spend hours cataloging your games, tagging them, getting achieves etc. are you going to be easily swayed away from it? It’s all the same, in 5-10 years if GOG are still here they will be pushing their own “proton”. They don’t stand for anything, or do anything other than be 10 years behind steam and be incompetant (if you believe all the “mistakes”).
Posted July 11, 2022
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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, and this is exactly why hitman, gwent, cyberpunk and all the other drm’d, online gated, account required, etc. things are here as GOG has become pretty much open doors. There is no curation, perhaps there is some discussion about wether they will make any money off of something, but for actual quality, user protections, updates, those kind of things it’s gone right out of the window. This thread is clear example of this lack of ownership, I mean what next we get Skyrim but with denuvo rootkit, and GOG just can’t do anything about? And then there is galaxy, for decades we have complained about steam creating a monopoly, enticing and trapping users in their infrastructure with the client, and what are gog doing? Exactly the same thing, sure those who support galaxy say it’s optional but let’s face it if you spend hours cataloging your games, tagging them, getting achieves etc. are you going to be easily swayed away from it? It’s all the same, in 5-10 years if GOG are still here they will be pushing their own “proton”. They don’t stand for anything, or do anything other than be 10 years behind steam and be incompetant (if you believe all the “mistakes”).
You want it that way - ok (and you want to tell me something about "long rants"...)

So, now lets play a round of find the Linux guy who wants to turn a salesperson finds the market to small into the biggest thing ever connecting it to everything else, while still neglecting it is the salesperson and not the marked he is using for sale.

Found one.

And this thread is the best example of a bunch of people taking everything and its dog, somehow trying to connect it to the next biggest hidden plan, even making up your very own "reasons" why something happend - that couldn't be further from reality.

Well, maybe it is me, because my world view is based on the Razors of Hanlon and Occam...

So, about your stupid rethorical question.
GoG can and GoG already has refused stuff. And they will refuse stuff in the future, because it will not work with their idea of GoG.
Stop making things up because a sales person said he does not want to sale one thing here because he things the possible marked is way to small to make profit and GoG decides, that this is not the hill to die at and to fuck up 99% of their users while doing so, for you and only you.

Finally get it. Linux is 1%. Nothing with a lot of profit to find, if at all.

But I know, Linux users are often desillusionel about themself. I mean, you will very likely find more then one "No Linux support - one Star" review for every bigger game on GoG - even when there wasn't even a Linux version in the first place - nowhere.
Never have seen that from Mac users (remember? Linux Users times 2), not even from the very driven and vocal Windows 7 guys, who are many more.
I'm not the only one who finds the loud Linux "crowd" more often comical then anything else.

There is no "ok, they don't want to sell to the Linux guys - lets take the game anyway" that leads directly to "lets become a fully DRMed streaming service".

The marked share is big enough to justify some work for Linux on Steam.
But with the GoG marked share, Linux is not big enough.
That's it, that's all.
No big plan.
No connection to anything else.
Just a single economical decision standing for its own.
Posted July 11, 2022
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randomuser.833: ...
Again, none of this is relevant to the topic of the thread, which is DRM and censorship of games on GOG.com. If you carry on derailing the thread, I will have to report you.

Please take this discussion elsewhere.

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nightcraw1er.488:
I'd appreciate if you could please stop responding to this off-topic discussion.

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Time4Tea: Guys, let's not continue sidetracking the thread into a debate about Windows vs Linux. That's not what it's for. There are other threads for discussing that. Thanks!
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randomuser.833: It is not about windows or Linux.

It is about understanding, that not GoG decides if they bring the Linux installers of a game to GoG, but the Dev or the Publisher.
That is not on-topic for this thread.

In the case of DRM (which is on-topic), it is of course GOG's decision whether or not to host a game on their store. Moreover, as a store that markets themselves as 'DRM-free', it is their responsibility to thoroughly verify that new games being listed do not contain DRM.
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Posted July 11, 2022
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randomuser.833: ...
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Time4Tea: Again, none of this is relevant to the topic of the thread, which is DRM and censorship of games on GOG.com. If you carry on derailing the thread, I will have to report you.

Please take this discussion elsewhere.

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nightcraw1er.488:
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Time4Tea: I'd appreciate if you could please stop responding to this off-topic discussion.

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randomuser.833: It is not about windows or Linux.

It is about understanding, that not GoG decides if they bring the Linux installers of a game to GoG, but the Dev or the Publisher.
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Time4Tea: That is not on-topic for this thread.

In the case of DRM (which is on-topic), it is of course GOG's decision whether or not to host a game on their store. Moreover, as a store that markets themselves as 'DRM-free', it is their responsibility to thoroughly verify that new games being listed do not contain DRM.
"I will report you if you go off topic!" <proceeds to discuss the same off topic stuff> Good job T4T! Btw, how many games did you purchase during the recent summer sale? Over or under 10?
Post edited July 11, 2022 by Krogan32
Posted July 12, 2022
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Yes, You may, I will not be purchasing for the remainder of the year.


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Tuttle757: The censorship on the forums and reviews has gotten out of control, clearly GOG no longer stands for free speech, I won't purchase another game from them for the remainder of the year, will re-evaluate in January 2023.
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Time4Tea: Thanks for posting and I fully sympathize. Would you like your name to be added to the boycott list?

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darkangelz: Please remove my name from the sympathetic list (28). Makes no sense to me anymore.
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Time4Tea: No problem. Thanks for supporting the cause.
Posted July 12, 2022
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Tuttle757: The censorship on the forums and reviews has gotten out of control, clearly GOG no longer stands for free speech, I won't purchase another game from them for the remainder of the year, will re-evaluate in January 2023.
You state that GOG no longer stands for free speech.... this very thread contradicts your statement, if they were pro censorship this thread would have been locked and deleted a long time ago and the users getting a permanent forum ban, however over a year later (or more) and everyone is still here, from what I have seen the only people who have gotten bans of any type are people trying to get this thread shut down so that there shows they respect the posters here right to complain.

Staff members have even aided in changing the thread name and removing spam at the request of the thread starter.

I am aware you are referring to reviews being removed but GOG staff have stated they only remove reviews that do not address the game the review is for which makes sense since a person who is only interested in the game would not want to wade through spam that is not relevant to the game itself. If someone has an issue with the company or other factor outside of the game itself they can easily come to the forum which is honestly better as it would take longer for a thread to get buried rather than putting a non game related review up which could get buried or simply overlooked.
Posted July 12, 2022
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Tuttle757: The censorship on the forums and reviews has gotten out of control, clearly GOG no longer stands for free speech, I won't purchase another game from them for the remainder of the year, will re-evaluate in January 2023.
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wolfsite: You state that GOG no longer stands for free speech.... this very thread contradicts your statement, if they were pro censorship this thread would have been locked and deleted a long time ago and the users getting a permanent forum ban, however over a year later (or more) and everyone is still here, from what I have seen the only people who have gotten bans of any type are people trying to get this thread shut down so that there shows they respect the posters here right to complain.

Staff members have even aided in changing the thread name and removing spam at the request of the thread starter.

I am aware you are referring to reviews being removed but GOG staff have stated they only remove reviews that do not address the game the review is for which makes sense since a person who is only interested in the game would not want to wade through spam that is not relevant to the game itself. If someone has an issue with the company or other factor outside of the game itself they can easily come to the forum which is honestly better as it would take longer for a thread to get buried rather than putting a non game related review up which could get buried or simply overlooked.
What users have been banned? i have not seen a single one, instead, users who harass OP are allowed to do so freely.

GOG definitely removed reviews that addressed the game, and did not violate review guidelines. There are screenshots of the reviews that were removed. And when the issue of those reviews being removed was addressed, GOG refused to comment. You are consciously obfuscating the matter.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/experience_the_blade_runner_enhanced_edition_16aea/page13
Post edited July 12, 2022 by Longcat
Posted July 12, 2022
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randomuser.833: ...
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Time4Tea: Again, none of this is relevant to the topic of the thread, which is DRM and censorship of games on GOG.com. If you carry on derailing the thread, I will have to report you.

Please take this discussion elsewhere.

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nightcraw1er.488:
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Time4Tea: I'd appreciate if you could please stop responding to this off-topic discussion.

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randomuser.833: It is not about windows or Linux.

It is about understanding, that not GoG decides if they bring the Linux installers of a game to GoG, but the Dev or the Publisher.
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Time4Tea: That is not on-topic for this thread.

In the case of DRM (which is on-topic), it is of course GOG's decision whether or not to host a game on their store. Moreover, as a store that markets themselves as 'DRM-free', it is their responsibility to thoroughly verify that new games being listed do not contain DRM.
Reporting somone to gog for going off topic on you're boycotting GOG thread. Not sure why but this made me laugh.
Posted July 12, 2022
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wolfsite: You state that GOG no longer stands for free speech.... this very thread contradicts your statement, if they were pro censorship this thread would have been locked and deleted a long time ago and the users getting a permanent forum ban, however over a year later (or more) and everyone is still here, from what I have seen the only people who have gotten bans of any type are people trying to get this thread shut down so that there shows they respect the posters here right to complain.

Staff members have even aided in changing the thread name and removing spam at the request of the thread starter.

I am aware you are referring to reviews being removed but GOG staff have stated they only remove reviews that do not address the game the review is for which makes sense since a person who is only interested in the game would not want to wade through spam that is not relevant to the game itself. If someone has an issue with the company or other factor outside of the game itself they can easily come to the forum which is honestly better as it would take longer for a thread to get buried rather than putting a non game related review up which could get buried or simply overlooked.
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Longcat: What users have been banned? i have not seen a single one, instead, users who harass OP are allowed to do so freely.

GOG definitely removed reviews that addressed the game, and did not violate review guidelines. There are screenshots of the reviews that were removed. And when the issue of those reviews being removed was addressed, GOG refused to comment. You are consciously obfuscating the matter.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/experience_the_blade_runner_enhanced_edition_16aea/page13
I believe Krogan32 got a temp ban at the very least.
Posted July 12, 2022
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No, he got told to tone it down at one point by one of the overseers (or whatever they are called, it was not an employee) in another thread, and then he just kept going as he always has.

And in any case, that does not change that legitimate reviews were purposefully deleted by GOG.
Posted July 12, 2022
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Tuttle757: The censorship on the forums and reviews has gotten out of control, clearly GOG no longer stands for free speech, I won't purchase another game from them for the remainder of the year, will re-evaluate in January 2023.
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wolfsite: You state that GOG no longer stands for free speech.... this very thread contradicts your statement, if they were pro censorship this thread would have been locked and deleted a long time ago and the users getting a permanent forum ban, however over a year later (or more) and everyone is still here, from what I have seen the only people who have gotten bans of any type are people trying to get this thread shut down so that there shows they respect the posters here right to complain.

Staff members have even aided in changing the thread name and removing spam at the request of the thread starter.

I am aware you are referring to reviews being removed but GOG staff have stated they only remove reviews that do not address the game the review is for which makes sense since a person who is only interested in the game would not want to wade through spam that is not relevant to the game itself. If someone has an issue with the company or other factor outside of the game itself they can easily come to the forum which is honestly better as it would take longer for a thread to get buried rather than putting a non game related review up which could get buried or simply overlooked.
The reviews were unquestionable fine, at least most of them. There's screenshots of said delete reviews and a fair amount include -

Complaints about lack of language support
Visual quality
Audio Quality
Screen options


Tell me how this is not directly related to the product?
Posted July 12, 2022
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wolfsite: You state that GOG no longer stands for free speech.... this very thread contradicts your statement, if they were pro censorship this thread would have been locked and deleted a long time ago and the users getting a permanent forum ban, however over a year later (or more) and everyone is still here, from what I have seen the only people who have gotten bans of any type are people trying to get this thread shut down so that there shows they respect the posters here right to complain.

Staff members have even aided in changing the thread name and removing spam at the request of the thread starter.

I am aware you are referring to reviews being removed but GOG staff have stated they only remove reviews that do not address the game the review is for which makes sense since a person who is only interested in the game would not want to wade through spam that is not relevant to the game itself. If someone has an issue with the company or other factor outside of the game itself they can easily come to the forum which is honestly better as it would take longer for a thread to get buried rather than putting a non game related review up which could get buried or simply overlooked.
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Linko64: The reviews were unquestionable fine, at least most of them. There's screenshots of said delete reviews and a fair amount include -

Complaints about lack of language support
Visual quality
Audio Quality
Screen options

Tell me how this is not directly related to the product?
I would have to read the original un edited review to answer that, I don't want to base an answer on 2nd hand sources and hearsay. However I have seen reviews in the past that did end up getting deleted and even though some did have criticism they were rather brief than they want on political tirades or started to attack a person or agenda, so in that sense they did break the rules.

I'm not going to base anything on a simple screenshot though as unfortunately those can be easily edited, this reasoning is based on real life experience as I was in an online game and me and some friends were being constantly harassed but the developers refused to even look at the screenshots as they stated those are too easy to manipulate and edit.
Posted July 12, 2022
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You will not believe screenshots that were made by one of the authors of said review, and posted immediately after it was deleted. Because, of course, people take the time to write legitimate reviews and photoshop them into screenshots of a game page on GOG to make GOG look bad. And the reviews you bring up (which are also, by the way, hearsay WITHOUT SCREENSHOTS, by your definition) have nothing to do with these reviews.

But you will base your opinion on a general statement made by GOG, who refuses to answer when asked about these legitimate and deleted reviews? And then reiterate that opinion to other users who want to support the boycott? Do you even believe what you are saying yourself? Even if GOG were to admit to this in writing, you would still claim it was false.

You appear unbelievably dishonest in your posts, and are now looking for an easy way out of addressing the real issue.
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wolfsite: I would have to read the original un edited review to answer that, I don't want to base an answer on 2nd hand sources and hearsay.
https://i.ibb.co/1fYHj2q/gogbladerunnerdeletedreviews.jpg
Posted July 12, 2022
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wolfsite: I would have to read the original un edited review to answer that, I don't want to base an answer on 2nd hand sources and hearsay.
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mrkgnao: https://i.ibb.co/1fYHj2q/gogbladerunnerdeletedreviews.jpg
As I stated I am not going to make any decisions based on Images as they can be easily edited and altered.


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Longcat: You will not believe screenshots that were made by one of the authors of said review, and posted immediately after it was deleted. Because, of course, people take the time to write legitimate reviews and photoshop them into screenshots of a game page on GOG to make GOG look bad. And the reviews you bring up (which are also, by the way, hearsay WITHOUT SCREENSHOTS, by your definition) have nothing to do with these reviews.

But you will base your opinion on a general statement made by GOG, who refuses to answer when asked about these legitimate and deleted reviews? And then reiterate that opinion to other users who want to support the boycott? Do you even believe what you are saying yourself? Even if GOG were to admit to this in writing, you would still claim it was false.

You appear unbelievably dishonest in your posts, and are now looking for an easy way out of addressing the real issue.
I have not made any final decision on this, please stop assuming I am on the side of the company.

I want DRM free games.
I want honest reviews without drama.
I want to be able to have offline installers.
I want Linux versions of games available, this is something that truly disappoints me with GOG.

However I have learned from previous experiences in this thread not to take complaints at face value some have blown things larger than they really are.

Plus I have already provided reasons why I can't take images as straight truth as they can be easily doctored.
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