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I started boycotting on my own months before Time4Tea's thread; back in April of 2020. after forced Galaxy 2.0 update.
I didn't start any thread about that or wrote a "goodbye" note to GOG, as I didn't think anything would change regardless; and I was right.
This thread is possibly only reason I still come to GOG and read these forums, with a few other honorable mentions.
Not that I think anything will change with of without this or similar threads, mind you.
And I have more than 700 games on GOG and if GOG hasn't lost its way and made me abandon it; I would probably, by today, have more than 1000 games on GOG, with many being double dips, but sadly that will never happen.
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GlorFindel: I started boycotting on my own months before Time4Tea's thread; back in April of 2020. after forced Galaxy 2.0 update.
I didn't start any thread about that or wrote a "goodbye" note to GOG, as I didn't think anything would change regardless; and I was right.
This thread is possibly only reason I still come to GOG and read these forums, with a few other honorable mentions.
Not that I think anything will change with of without this or similar threads, mind you.
And I have more than 700 games on GOG and if GOG hasn't lost its way and made me abandon it; I would probably, by today, have more than 1000 games on GOG, with many being double dips, but sadly that will never happen.
Nice. Yes, as pointed out earlier, it seems to me that many of the people boycotting or even who are just unhappy with "Nu-GOG" are ones with extensive libraries. Essentially, "whales" to use the modern term. It seems to me like every company these days would like to have whales, so GOG's decisions are especially baffling.

Not to sound too belittling of people's consumer choices, but it seems to me that instead of retaining and expanding the current type of whales they have, GOG would like to instead abandon them and court "dumber whales" who will merrily accept DRM in the form of client requirmenets, online requirements, etc as "that's just the way things are".

Honestly, that is where the lack of critical thinking seems to be concentrated, what with all the "what is GOG supposed to dewwwww, not accept the DRMed game?" "it's just how the game is desiiiiigned" et al ad infinitum.
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GlorFindel: I started boycotting on my own months before Time4Tea's thread; back in April of 2020. after forced Galaxy 2.0 update.
I didn't start any thread about that or wrote a "goodbye" note to GOG, as I didn't think anything would change regardless; and I was right.
This thread is possibly only reason I still come to GOG and read these forums, with a few other honorable mentions.
Not that I think anything will change with of without this or similar threads, mind you.
And I have more than 700 games on GOG and if GOG hasn't lost its way and made me abandon it; I would probably, by today, have more than 1000 games on GOG, with many being double dips, but sadly that will never happen.
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rjbuffchix: Nice. Yes, as pointed out earlier, it seems to me that many of the people boycotting or even who are just unhappy with "Nu-GOG" are ones with extensive libraries. Essentially, "whales" to use the modern term. It seems to me like every company these days would like to have whales, so GOG's decisions are especially baffling.

Not to sound too belittling of people's consumer choices, but it seems to me that instead of retaining and expanding the current type of whales they have, GOG would like to instead abandon them and court "dumber whales" who will merrily accept DRM in the form of client requirmenets, online requirements, etc as "that's just the way things are".

Honestly, that is where the lack of critical thinking seems to be concentrated, what with all the "what is GOG supposed to dewwwww, not accept the DRMed game?" "it's just how the game is desiiiiigned" et al ad infinitum.
Yes, you could say that! I was a GOG "whale" and I preached about GOG to all my friends and family; many of which became GOG members because of me and gifts that I bought them on GOG.
I bought many games here as doubles, after years of owning them elsewhere (mostly Steam).

I accept DRM as a fact and live with it, hence I use many other stores/clients (Steam, Origin, uPlay/Ubisoft Connect and Battle.net); not EGS, mind you and never will.

But, GOG-s DRM-free and clientless gaming with offline installers was an idea, an ideal and sort of "religion" even; that's why GOG-s changing and abandoning that "true, old" and unique values is so hurtful, unacceptable and unforgivable.

And, one last thing: GOG will never replace "old" GOG whales who bought games here (even at full price) just because they are here, regardless of previous ownership, with new "dumber" whales as you said, because GOG offers nothing that would attract the "No Steam, no buy" or similar whales. It's simply lacking in every way, comparing with e.g. Steam.

DRM-free, clientless and offline installers were only things which set GOG apart and elevated it above the rest of the market, but these values were being; either abandoned (like clientless GOG for years now), poorly (and probably deliberately) maintained (like offline installers) and diluted (like DRM-free).
Post edited October 02, 2021 by GlorFindel
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GlorFindel: I started boycotting on my own months before Time4Tea's thread; back in April of 2020. after forced Galaxy 2.0 update.
I didn't start any thread about that or wrote a "goodbye" note to GOG, as I didn't think anything would change regardless; and I was right.
This thread is possibly only reason I still come to GOG and read these forums, with a few other honorable mentions.
Not that I think anything will change with of without this or similar threads, mind you.
And I have more than 700 games on GOG and if GOG hasn't lost its way and made me abandon it; I would probably, by today, have more than 1000 games on GOG, with many being double dips, but sadly that will never happen.
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rjbuffchix: Nice. Yes, as pointed out earlier, it seems to me that many of the people boycotting or even who are just unhappy with "Nu-GOG" are ones with extensive libraries. Essentially, "whales" to use the modern term. It seems to me like every company these days would like to have whales, so GOG's decisions are especially baffling.

Not to sound too belittling of people's consumer choices, but it seems to me that instead of retaining and expanding the current type of whales they have, GOG would like to instead abandon them and court "dumber whales" who will merrily accept DRM in the form of client requirmenets, online requirements, etc as "that's just the way things are".

Honestly, that is where the lack of critical thinking seems to be concentrated, what with all the "what is GOG supposed to dewwwww, not accept the DRMed game?" "it's just how the game is desiiiiigned" et al ad infinitum.
Here is the way I see it, it seems more games as time passes rely on different types of drms so the more that happens then the less games gog can potentially get. This is why I wonder what the future for drm free is since the less games gog can sell due to increase of drm use by pubs/devs then the less likely they are to survive with nothing to buy.
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GlorFindel: Yes, you could say that! I was a GOG "whale" and I preached about GOG to all my friends and family; many of which became GOG members because of me and gifts that I bought them on GOG.
I bought many games here as doubles, after years of owning them elsewhere (mostly Steam).

I accept DRM as a fact and live with it, hence I use many other stores/clients (Steam, Origin, uPlay/Ubisoft Connect and Battle.net); not EGS, mind you and never will.

But, GOG-s DRM-free and clientless gaming with offline installers was an idea, an ideal and sort of "religion" even; that's why GOG-s changing and abandoning that "true, old" and unique values is so hurtful, unacceptable and unforgivable.

And, one last thing: GOG will never replace "old" GOG whales who bought games here (even at full price) just because they are here, regardless of previous ownership, with new "dumber" whales as you said, because GOG offers nothing that would attract the "No Steam, no buy" or similar whales. It's simply lacking in every way, comparing with e.g. Steam.

DRM-free, clientless and offline installers were only things which set GOG apart and elevated it above the rest of the market, but these values were being; either abandoned (like clientless GOG for years now), poorly (and probably deliberately) maintained (like offline installers) and diluted (like DRM-free).
It's like we are the same person, with that description. It is me!
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Personally I will not boycott GOG completely (yet), however, I am boycotting Hitman as a release for sure, and will be much more wary of releases in the future.

One thing that other people mentioned very much resonates with me: I have more than 1900 games on GOG. I used to champion GOG in discussion with friends and colleagues. I gifted games, I informed about cool new releases, I recommended GOG wholeheartedly. I do not do that anymore, at most I recommend specific titles, and might mention that one could get them on GOG as well if one would like, but that's the extent of it nowadays. Kind of sad really.
Post edited October 02, 2021 by loki1985
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loki1985: Kind of sad really.
Very true.
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Not bought anything since my Cyberpunk refund took over a month to arrive.
Then the Devotion issue kept me away.
Now the Hitman mess is continuing to prove me right that this store and company are only headed downhill.

STILL on board to be proved wrong and shown they are taking a new direction at some point. But doesn't look like it's coming any time soon, and i'm still feeling good about not giving GOG my money.

Do better.
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I've been trying to keep my distance from all of this for awhile now and when I finally get in here again I see things haven't changed... No surprise there really. I can understand that sometimes changes is vital, but in short, the CDP group have been more and more unstable, with at times hard-hitting and over-reaching moderation, and perplexing decisions with no clear direction. I'm not going to continue to support a company that actively treats its long time fans and their own core values like that/this.

It's sad more than anything seeing an identity-less bull continually hitting a wall like that.

This is a 5-part series of articles that I found to be a fascinating read about CDP.

Part 01:
https://spidersweb.pl/plus/2021/07/cd-projekt-story-witcher-cyberpunk
Part 02:
https://spidersweb.pl/plus/2021/07/cdprojekt-witcher-cyberpunk-nofilter
Part 03:
https://spidersweb.pl/plus/2021/07/cdprojekt-cyberpunk-witcher
Part 04
https://spidersweb.pl/plus/2021/07/cdprojekt-sins-cyberpunk-witcher
Part 05:
https://spidersweb.pl/plus/2021/07/witcher-cdprojekt-cyberpunk

Now, while this provided more of a background to it all, this wasn't my main factor in finally boycotting GOG. I had already made that decision before recently finding this through Open Game World and Bloomberg.

Honestly, after the whole "oops, we lied about the game and about waiting to release a proper and finished RPG but we're still not going not to acknowledge it"-moment and the latest HM-fiasco... it just made my decision easier after all these years. Yes, I can be an optimist to a fault for too long, as they say. Neither CDPR nor GOG seems to actually want to keep their long time fans, and apart from their now old values being stripped away, there's really nothing left. Even the crippled forum here is technically an afterthought.

I'm not exactly a "hardcore gamer" with my 337 games here, and about 30-40 on Steam (most from Valve themselves) after 16 years now, but I've purchased and given away a lot of games over the years so that also ends, unfortunately. I'll look for DRM-free alternatives and/or continue to play Epic/Steam games "offline" (without going further into that).

@Time4Tea: Yes, the time has come to put me under the main list. For how long; time will tell.

@mrkgnao: Your book looks quite puzzling and interesting, I'll add it to my list :)
Post edited October 02, 2021 by sanscript
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sanscript: @mrkgnao: Your book looks quite puzzling and interesting, I'll add it to my list :)
Thank you!
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sanscript: @mrkgnao: Your book looks quite puzzling and interesting, I'll add it to my list :)
As someone who just got it the other day, I think you'll enjoy it!
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This is the first time I write on this forum and the first time I feel compelled to write anything, but this circus has gone on for long enough and I do not except GOG to change direction unless pressured.

This whole thing with hitman (not to mention the previous ones) is an unpleasant harlequinade.

Please add my name to the list.
I think i can consider myself currently sympathetic to the boycott, because of the recent Hitman situation.
There are afew games on sale currently i would usually have bought, even if, just to add to the ever increasing backlog, but i don't feel the urge to buy them atm. Waiting to see how gog handles this situation before i decide what to do with my wishlist. Might end up buying as many as i can before i call it quits.
For reference, the last game i purchased on steam was in 2014: the xcom remake i later also rebought on gog, and aside game freebies, kickstarters wich usually gave gog keys, i also got rimworld directly from the developer in 2018, because gog took too long to list it here, so drm free means alot to me, even with my pragmatic approach.

I suppose it was one line crossed too many for me, hope it does not end up for gog, like this bugs bunny cartoon :

https://youtu.be/4cf4O-hUg78
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loki1985: Personally I will not boycott GOG completely (yet), however, I am boycotting Hitman as a release for sure, and will be much more wary of releases in the future.

One thing that other people mentioned very much resonates with me: I have more than 1900 games on GOG. I used to champion GOG in discussion with friends and colleagues. I gifted games, I informed about cool new releases, I recommended GOG wholeheartedly. I do not do that anymore, at most I recommend specific titles, and might mention that one could get them on GOG as well if one would like, but that's the extent of it nowadays. Kind of sad really.
I feel exactly the same way (though my library isn't as large, but still a decent number). At this point I'll only buy games from GOG if they come here Day 1 and completely DRM-free. I still much prefer to actually own my games, but I'm not interested in supporting the store itself any longer. If I want a game and it's only available on Steam, I'll buy it on Steam.
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BroscienceEngineer: Anyone here with a critical brain? Why are these boycotters being led around by a guy with 40 games in the past 6 years? It's pretty clear to me this guy has NO skin in the DRM-free game unlike those who have amassed hundreds or even a couple thousand games in the library. And he's also a shill for Zoom Platform. Seriously cannot go 5 posts without him mentioning Zoom. Let's be honest, Time4Tea is only here to bring a company down to its knees to satisfy HIS own ego.

Time to fight you crazies with my own crazies because there's really no winning with you people.
Let's break down your question regarding whether someone has a critical brain:

1) By your standards there is a minimum requirement of games purchased for an opinion to be valid.

2) Because he mentions another platform his decision regarding GOG's actions is invalid.

3) If Time4Tea was alone in his view of the direction GOG is heading, there would only be his posts and no list of people boycotting GOG or sympathetic to the same.

4) To my knowledge, no one has asked you for anything. You can continue skipping along in happy land to your hearts content. Most of us are a part of this thread because we want GOG to succeed based on the merits of their founding principles, not the direction GOG is currently going.

See there, I was being critical of your *********.

[Modded by Sarafan: Please refrain from making insulting suggestions to other users]
Post edited October 06, 2021 by Sarafan