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Timboli: What is it about such literary heroes as Tarzan, Conan and Elric, that makes you and I and others prefer the other writings of their authors ... seeing them as better productions?
Because those are how they made their big money. Whenever ERB needed a cash infusion, he knew he could crank out a new Tarzan book to cover it. Howard wasn't rich, but as a full-time writer who was the primary caregiver for his mom, he knew he could do a "Conan vs. monster" yarn for a guaranteed sale, which was crucial for his circumstances.
Last night I finished The great and secret show
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Post edited January 07, 2021 by gargus
Ralph Fiennes on Shakespeare

I guess I know whose Complete Works I'll read next.
Post edited January 07, 2021 by OptimalBreez
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Timboli: What is it about such literary heroes as Tarzan, Conan and Elric, that makes you and I and others prefer the other writings of their authors ... seeing them as better productions?
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andysheets1975: Because those are how they made their big money. Whenever ERB needed a cash infusion, he knew he could crank out a new Tarzan book to cover it. Howard wasn't rich, but as a full-time writer who was the primary caregiver for his mom, he knew he could do a "Conan vs. monster" yarn for a guaranteed sale, which was crucial for his circumstances.
That is the simple answer, but there is a lot more to it than that.
For starters, they were great characters, so no problem there.
Secondly, no-one said they had to write less good stories about them.
Thirdly, I know ERB was constantly pressured by publishers to provide more Tarzan, and he often had other manuscripts rejected, without what he thought was due consideration. The publishers were only interested a lot of the time in fast money, and turned a blind eye to anything else. Later on in ERB's career, he did get back to writing good Tarzan stories again.
Fourthly, I don't ever recall reading that specific about Robert E. Howard, and I have read a lot about him over the years. I suspect there is some minor truth to it though, but he did submit all sorts of stories to all sorts of publications. Conan stories are only a small part of what he wrote in that relatively short period of his life. And many Conan stories, when you go back to the original version, are pretty good. The problem was editors making changes. You must remember too, that his father was a doctor, so I doubt there was any financial need for his mother from REH.
Post edited January 08, 2021 by Timboli
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Timboli: Fourthly, I don't ever recall reading that specific about Robert E. Howard, and I have read a lot about him over the years. I suspect there is some minor truth to it though, but he did submit all sorts of stories to all sorts of publications. Conan stories are only a small part of what he wrote in that relatively short period of his life. And many Conan stories, when you go back to the original version, are pretty good. The problem was editors making changes. You must remember too, that his father was a doctor, so I doubt there was any financial need for his mother from REH.
His dad was a doctor but in a poor, sparsely populated part of the country, so he would travel and be away from home for extended periods of time. So it fell to Robert handle his mom's day-to-day care and earn money to at least partially support the family (this is why I get irked when latter day critics *looks at Sprague de Camp* mock Howard for being "a momma's boy" or acting like he was some kind of Oedipal complex loser for not leaving home - hospice care is a tough and good thing to provide).
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andysheets1975: ... hospice care is a tough and good thing to provide).
Indeed, and a true shame that his fertile imagination likely got the better of him, and depression .. all intricately connected no doubt.

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Just finished reading SINthetic by J.T. Nicholas, and it was superb, so straight on to Book 2 - SINdicate.

https://www.kobo.com/au/en/ebook/sinthetic-2

What a great choice I made for that VIP Membership freebie at Kobo.

Alas, I now also need to swap devices, back to my old Kindle Paperwhite ... I was enjoying using the new Kobo.

P.S. I think I forgot to mention that Books 2 & 3 in the trilogy are each around $3.20 AUD cheaper at Amazon. Kobo really messed up there. I would have maybe paid a few cents more to have them at Kobo, but not that much.
Post edited January 09, 2021 by Timboli
Thanks for the 2021 edition of the thread!


1 - Rising Sun - Michael Crichton
2 - Les damnés de l'artère - Pascale Fonteneau
3 - Chasse Royale 2e partie - Les grands arrières - Jean-Philippe Jaworsky
4 - Maigret and the Yellow Dog - Georges Simenon
5 - Maigret at the Crossroads - Georges Simenon
6 - The Andromeda Strain - Michael Crichton
7 - The White Rose - Glen Cook
8 - Shadow Games - Glen Cook
9 - Dreams of Steel - Glen Cook
10 - A crime in Holland - Georges Simenon
11 - Les rapines du duc de Guise - Jean d'Aillon
12 - La guerre des amoureuses - Jean d'Aillon
13 - La ville qui n'aimait pas son roi - Jean d'Aillon
14 - Rot & Ruin - Jonathan Maberry
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15 - Four Hundred Billions Stars - Paul J. McAuley
16 - The Colorado Kid - Stephen King
17 - 11 Septembre - Nicole Bacharan & Dominique Simonnet
18 - The Terminal Man - Michael Crichton
Post edited July 19, 2021 by xa_chan
I am into reading Nieznana wojna / Otto Skorzeny now. Very interesting book. After reading it I need to write essay review about my impressions of reading story. I will write my research paper soon.
Post edited January 14, 2021 by user deleted
Well that was a quick read, Book 3 here we come - SINdrome by J.T. Nicholas, :D

Just a tad exciting was Book 2 ... and Book 1 for that matter. :lol:

Great start to my reading year. :thumbsup:
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Timboli: While I did enjoy the Eric stories, I preferred some of his other personalities as the Eternal Champion ... Corum for one ... same goes for the stories.
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PetrusOctavianus: I think the Corum books are the best overall Sword&Sorcery series I've read.
Elric is more uneven. Same with Conan; Robert E. Howard could write action scenes like few others, but there's too many formulaic Conan stories, at least if you read them in succession.
I need to check them out then, it seems there are 6 books divided in 2 trilogies, which one should I start with? "The Knight of the Swords" or "The Bull and the Spear" ?
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PetrusOctavianus: I think the Corum books are the best overall Sword&Sorcery series I've read.
Elric is more uneven. Same with Conan; Robert E. Howard could write action scenes like few others, but there's too many formulaic Conan stories, at least if you read them in succession.
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seba_86: I need to check them out then, it seems there are 6 books divided in 2 trilogies, which one should I start with? "The Knight of the Swords" or "The Bull and the Spear" ?
The Knight of the Swords is the natural starting point.
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xa_chan: Include me, please! And thanks for the 2021 edition of the thread!
Thanks for joining!
I was afraid of you ;)
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seba_86: I need to check them out then, it seems there are 6 books divided in 2 trilogies, which one should I start with? "The Knight of the Swords" or "The Bull and the Spear" ?
I don't recall off the top of my head, but Wikipedia is your friend, and for a first read I would certainly start in published order.
The House of Wael

It again feels rather like cheating to count this as a book I read, being so short, but more important is the fact that it's not meant to be read on its own. It's written in an odd style, intentionally confusing, hard to follow, lacking background information and constantly broken up by all those notes appearing even in the middle of sentences, including descriptions apparently pulled right out of the game that aren't suited for a book. That said, there are some interesting elements, at least enough to make the reader curious, and the discussion about Gods can be said to stand out and make some good points. And the comment about language is spot-on.

Rating: 2/5

Thanks again to Doc0075 for the game! Since I can't start it yet, at least went ahead and read the novella.
Post edited January 14, 2021 by Cavalary
Rising Sun - Michael Crichton

Maybe the 3rd or 4th time I read that book, but certainly the first time since I live in Japan... It is still the same book than before, adapted into a movie, about a murder in the japanese business community in the USA, back in the 90's. An interesting book, well written, even if certainly not Crichton's best book ever.

This time, this book hitted home differently. What wa a good thriller to me is a bit different now, since I actually live in Japan and can read Crichton's comments about japanese society differently. Lots of truths, finally, with some misconceptions. Interesting on a psychological way.

But I can't help but wonder if Crichton would have written the same kind of book but with the chinese predatory business behavior... Some of the things he wrote about Japan and the japanese society would have earned it a flame war and a boycott if he ever wrote such things about China, I think...

So far in 2021: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/books_finished_in_2021/post37