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Navagon
Easily Persuaded
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From United Kingdom
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Klumpen0815
+91
Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted December 22, 2015
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I've seen people getting addicted to WoW by "having to justify the money put into it" and staying addicted because of the guild they had to join in order to raid the big daddies.
Damn, if you're main incentive to play it is, because you paid for it and then because you're social network is in it, then something is going very wrong.
I like to stay free and independend at least in my spare time, that's probably why I don't play online multiplayer at all.
Post edited December 22, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Matewis
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Registered: Jan 2011
From South Africa
Posted December 22, 2015
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I've seen people getting addicted to WoW by "having to justify the money put into it" and staying addicted because of the guild they had to join in order to raid the big daddies.
Damn, if you're main incentive to play it is, because you paid for it and then because you're social network is in it, then something is going very wrong.
I like to stay free and independend at least in my spare time, that's probably why I don't play online multiplayer at all.
Overall I do prefer the subscription model for an MMO, only because I don't want to be bugged by 'subtle' hints for microtransactions. A friend of mine played another popular MMO, free-to-play, (I think it was neverwinter) and the 'gentle' encouragements to buy something minor started to get on his nerves. Something like : "Ok, you can walk allll the way back to town, or you can spend $0.99 and get a town scroll and teleport back instantly" Well not quite, but things like that. That would drive me absolutely nuts, and totally ruin the sense of immersion for me, which is the only reason I would play an mmo in the first place. That's why I wanted to play wow in fact, I wanted to experience the Warcraft universe first hand.
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Klumpen0815
+91
Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted December 22, 2015
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I've seen people getting addicted to WoW by "having to justify the money put into it" and staying addicted because of the guild they had to join in order to raid the big daddies.
Damn, if you're main incentive to play it is, because you paid for it and then because you're social network is in it, then something is going very wrong.
I like to stay free and independend at least in my spare time, that's probably why I don't play online multiplayer at all.
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Overall I do prefer the subscription model for an MMO, only because I don't want to be bugged by 'subtle' hints for microtransactions. A friend of mine played another popular MMO, free-to-play, (I think it was neverwinter) and the 'gentle' encouragements to buy something minor started to get on his nerves. Something like : "Ok, you can walk allll the way back to town, or you can spend $0.99 and get a town scroll and teleport back instantly" Well not quite, but things like that. That would drive me absolutely nuts, and totally ruin the sense of immersion for me, which is the only reason I would play an mmo in the first place. That's why I wanted to play wow in fact, I wanted to experience the Warcraft universe first hand.
$15 or $12 are still way too much for a game that you already had to pay for in order to be able to install it at all, how much does WoW cost with all expansions included at the moment? It was quite a lot some years ago but I'm really out of touch.
The lack of local multiplayer (that wouldn't need any online servers at all and still works when those are down) is an entirely different problem though and really bugs me in some modern games.
Post edited December 22, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Matewis
By Toutatis!
Registered: Jan 2011
From South Africa
Posted December 22, 2015
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$15 or $12 are still way too much for a game that you already had to pay for in order to be able to install it at all, how much does WoW cost with all expansions included at the moment? It was quite a lot some years ago but I'm really out of touch.
The lack of local multiplayer (that wouldn't need any online servers at all and still works when those are down) is an entirely different problem though and really bugs me in some modern games.
Diablo 3 takes the cake though. Their treatment of the PC version I would say gave me my first real reason to be sorely disappointed in blizzard. I thank my lucky stars that I don't have any real interest in playing the game in any case, though I did love me some barbarian rampages in Diablo 2!
Btw, has battlenet implemented any privacy settings yet, like in steam where you can set it so that it makes you appear to be offline to all of your contacts?
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Klumpen0815
+91
Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted December 22, 2015
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Diablo 3 takes the cake though. Their treatment of the PC version I would say gave me my first real reason to be sorely disappointed in blizzard. I thank my lucky stars that I don't have any real interest in playing the game in any case, though I did love me some barbarian rampages in Diablo 2!
Btw, has battlenet implemented any privacy settings yet, like in steam where you can set it so that it makes you appear to be offline to all of your contacts?
Oh I miss real LAN parties with buddies, pizza and beer.
Never managed to take part in many of those but I'd love to do that again, especcially since modern capable PCs are not as huge anymore.
Post edited December 22, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Matewis
By Toutatis!
Registered: Jan 2011
From South Africa
Posted December 22, 2015
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Oh I miss real LAN parties with buddies, pizza and beer.
Never managed to take part in many of those but I'd love to do that again, especcially since modern capable PCs are not as huge anymore.
Also, I'm concerned that you didn't mention the original Half-life! Crossfire map deathmatch ftw!! Though mentioning counterstrike almost makes up for it ;)
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Sarang
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From United States
Posted December 22, 2015
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etb
no windows
Registered: Aug 2010
From Italy
Posted December 23, 2015
Sooo true :( In the era of laptop you'd expect to make it more often and instead it is not the case.
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nicethugbert
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Posted December 28, 2015
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And btw, you should check the meaning of the word logic.
You're continuing on insisting on blaming the victim for the aggressor, like blaming the sheep for being so tasty to the lion. It's not the sheep's fault it's tasty. It's not the sheep's fault that the lion is hungry. It's not the sheep's fault that the lion can over power it.
You're also conveniently ignoring time. Pay close attention to what I said and you'll see that I carefully implied that the product is first created, then sold. The intent to scam happens before there is anything to sell. Just like the intent to not scam happens before there is anything to sell. So, once again, the customer is not responsible for the company. Saying otherwise is Fascist blame the victim non-sense.
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etb
no windows
Registered: Aug 2010
From Italy
Posted December 29, 2015
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You're also conveniently ignoring time. Pay close attention to what I said and you'll see that I carefully implied that the product is first created, then sold. The intent to scam happens before there is anything to sell. Just like the intent to not scam happens before there is anything to sell. So, once again, the customer is not responsible for the company. Saying otherwise is Fascist blame the victim non-sense.
I can understand an honest mistake few times, but here we are speaking of million of people who accept and pay willingly, by they own choice.
Anyway, I don't really think it is a "fault" it simply means that many people see the world in a different way than me, and probably you too. And the market follow them instead of my (and your) minority.
Post edited December 29, 2015 by etb
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nicethugbert
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Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted December 30, 2015
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You're also conveniently ignoring time. Pay close attention to what I said and you'll see that I carefully implied that the product is first created, then sold. The intent to scam happens before there is anything to sell. Just like the intent to not scam happens before there is anything to sell. So, once again, the customer is not responsible for the company. Saying otherwise is Fascist blame the victim non-sense.
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I can understand an honest mistake few times, but here we are speaking of million of people who accept and pay willingly, by they own choice.
Anyway, I don't really think it is a "fault" it simply means that many people see the world in a different way than me, and probably you too. And the market follow them instead of my (and your) minority.
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etb
no windows
Registered: Aug 2010
From Italy
Posted January 11, 2016
It seems you did not even read what I wrote.
But once again, if you sell "scam products" that is lawful and people buy it, then the problem is or in the laws or in the people. In the context I think it is in both.
But once again, if you sell "scam products" that is lawful and people buy it, then the problem is or in the laws or in the people. In the context I think it is in both.