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Posted July 21, 2023
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ShadowAngel.207: So you think a depiction of bestiality/zoophilia is perfectly fine and normal? Something that, thankfully, is illegal in most countries and comes with a prison stint?
What's next? Depictions of pedophilia in game, as long as "it's a wizard who just changed his form"?

People are so degenerated these days....
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ssling: Pretty sure murder is illegal (and arguably worse thing to do) in much more countries than bestiality, yet I don't see people raging about it's depiction in 90% of games.
I actually talked to people about what is the worst crime. Most people seem to think pedophile is worse than being murder.
Posted July 22, 2023
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kai2: I haven't read through the replies, but felt I wanted to add a few last bits...

1) I don't begrudge anyone for wanting a game world they can get lost in, but if you need overt sexuality in a Dungeons & Dragons game to get lost in the world, I question your interest in the genre. And yes, there are other genres of games that deal with overt and explicit sex and sexual content.

2) A great filmmaker once said (essentially) that when civilization stops telling "big stories" (stories that deal with human endeavor) and instead becomes preoccupied with "small stories" (relationships, sex, "soap opera" content) then that civilization is in decline. First, RPGs told "big stories," then they added relationships and marriage (something most are still on-board with). Now they're even breaking that down to sex. While sex is not the entirety of BG3 -- there is still a story -- it sure feels like a race toward "small stories."

3) Personally, I felt Larian's livestream -- the last before release -- emphasized the wrong elements. Usually a giant fantasy RPG would want the last image(s) prior to day one release to be adventure, excitement and exotic locations. Instead, Larian gave us some dark horror elements, overt sex, and "genital customization." Strange choice.

4) Much of this may have seemed different to me if it wasn't part of the Baldur's Gate series. If this was a new "adult" IP, I might feel a bit differently about it all... but... Baldur's Gate is a cornerstone series in gaming... and simply calling it a "reboot?"

5) I'm sure as Clarry stated that some will be overjoyed with the additions / changes. I wasn't (overjoyed) from what they last showed (and from some of what I've seen of characters and story)... and I'll watch the release from afar instead of playing day One as I had originally planned. As I stated earlier, Larian may have been showing me that this game wasn't made for me... and that's ok. I can live with that. But it does feel disappointing. Guess I'll see AFTER release.

6) And lastly -- AGAIN -- IMHO Larian should have left all of these "pre-occupations" to modders. These mods would certainly have developed and released in time (if BG3 is open to modding?).

Anyway, that's all I have to say about this.
Sorry if this seems rude, quoting when you said you're done, but I wanted to ask something:

Did you play Baldur's Gate 1 and 2? Did you catch the narrative about who your main character was? How do you suppose that came about? Were all of the Bhaalspawn the result of Immaculate Inceptions? Or was Bhaal running around pretending to be Zeus? I mean, I don't know, as I don't recall that it was ever elaborated on, but I do know what I thought happened, and I was in my 30s. Now, if we were going to be dodging sex every in game hour, I might agree, but for a romance scene that you have to actually pursue to get? Not so much. The thing about giving players choices is that they can choose to not partake in them, just as easily as they can choose to pursue them.
Posted July 22, 2023
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GHOSTMD: Check the Character Creator, they patched in Social Media Speak, with an Identity option.
That is where i draw the line, i don t mind the freeness of all the other stuff.
For the very same reason i didn t bought Solasta (yet) an i was really interested in that game as well.
Don't sweat the small stuff, my man. Not worth the stress, and definitely not worth missing out on great games.
Posted July 22, 2023
Probably been covered - but filling the niche that BioWare abandoned and expectatios that Cyberpunk 2077 didn't reach.

Even if I don't take advantage of these...features - I'm all for more game in my game.
Posted July 22, 2023
So it turns out the character creator for this game that claims it's all about player choice, does not have any sliders for the faces, you are forced to use the default ones, and this lack of feature is by design, not oversight. You can't adjust your face, but you can adjust your junk.

This game isn't about giving people creative freedom, it's about pushing degenerate narratives.
Post edited July 22, 2023 by ReynardFox
Posted July 22, 2023
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ReynardFox: So it turns out the character creator for this game that claims it's all about player choice, does not have any sliders for the faces, you are forced to use the default ones, and this lack of feature is by design, not oversight. You can't adjust your face, but you can adjust your junk.
Wait... what? You have to kidding. No way. That's just too hilarious.
Posted July 22, 2023
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ReynardFox: So it turns out the character creator for this game that claims it's all about player choice, does not have any sliders for the faces, you are forced to use the default ones, and this lack of feature is by design, not oversight. You can't adjust your face, but you can adjust your junk.
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Breja: Wait... what? You have to kidding. No way. That's just too hilarious.
Nope, not kidding, the lead artist Alena Dubrovina has tried to explain away why there is no facial customization by saying the character creator can 'help players express their identity in unexpected ways'.

Well she's got me there, not being allowed to make my character's face not ugly is definitely unexpected.
Post edited July 22, 2023 by ReynardFox
Posted July 22, 2023
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Breja: Wait... what? You have to kidding. No way. That's just too hilarious.
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ReynardFox: Nope, not kidding, the lead artist Alena Dubrovina has tried to explain away why there is no facial customization by saying the character creator can 'help players express their identity in unexpected ways'.

Well she's got me there, not being allowed to make my character's face not ugly is definitely unexpected.
This is just too good. I don't quite know what to say, that's a level of failure I don't witness often. And I've seen all the Highlander sequels.
Posted July 22, 2023
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Breja: And I've seen all the Highlander sequels.
My condolences. I wouldn't wish Highlander: The Source on anyone.
Posted July 22, 2023
A couple of the preset heads/faces in the Beta already look quite "waifu'ish" enough, I think the kids are referring to it these days.
Sliders for specific facial features or characteristics would have been nice, but if there's a decent selection of pre-made ones (like the Drow Half-Elf pictured) to choose from you probably can do without them just as well.
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Posted July 22, 2023
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Swedrami: A couple of the preset heads/faces in the Beta already look quite "waifu'ish" enough, I think the kids are referring to it these days.
No clue what that means.

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Swedrami: Sliders for specific facial features or characteristics would have been nice, but if there's a decent selection of pre-made ones (like the Drow Half-Elf pictured) to choose from you probably can do without them just as well.
It's not the abscence of face customisation in itself that's so hilariously idiotic. It's giving people the option to customise their private parts, justifying bestiality with "player choice" and THEN not giving the players face customisation.
Posted July 23, 2023
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Swedrami: A couple of the preset heads/faces in the Beta already look quite "waifu'ish" enough, I think the kids are referring to it these days.
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Breja: No clue what that means.
Me neither.

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Swedrami: Sliders for specific facial features or characteristics would have been nice, but if there's a decent selection of pre-made ones (like the Drow Half-Elf pictured) to choose from you probably can do without them just as well.
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Breja: It's not the abscence of face customisation in itself that's so hilariously idiotic. It's giving people the option to customise their private parts, justifying bestiality with "player choice" and THEN not giving the players face customisation.
Fair enough and understandable.
I guess I just don't get hung up about all the controversial and questionable things, especially as long as things can be easily ignored/bypassed or sufficient alternatives (officially or unofficially via mods) are being offered.
Post edited July 23, 2023 by Swedrami
Posted July 23, 2023
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Breja: It's not the abscence of face customisation in itself that's so hilariously idiotic. It's giving people the option to customise their private parts, justifying bestiality with "player choice" and THEN not giving the players face customisation.
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Swedrami: Fair enough and understandable.
I guess I just don't get hung up about all the controversial and questionable things, especially as long as things can be easily ignored/bypassed or sufficient alternatives (officially or unofficially via mods) are being offered.
I don't really either - like I said at the start, I'm not outraged or offended by anything "controversial", I'm just disinterested in all that "dating simulator" crap, and in what a lot of what their doing says of the overall tone of the game. And this just seems to confirm that their priorities are seriously out of whack. It's like having a shooter with only one gun, but a wide selection of creaking noises for your character's leather jacket.
Post edited July 23, 2023 by Breja
Posted July 23, 2023
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ReynardFox: So it turns out the character creator for this game that claims it's all about player choice, does not have any sliders for the faces, you are forced to use the default ones, and this lack of feature is by design, not oversight. You can't adjust your face, but you can adjust your junk.
I think the option should be there for those who want it, but I've pretty much never used the sliders at character creation. It's pretty hard to make a face that looks good at all angles and lighting situations. As long as there are a good selection of options created by the devs I am very happy with that.
Posted July 23, 2023
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GHOSTMD: Check the Character Creator, they patched in Social Media Speak, with an Identity option.
That is where i draw the line, i don t mind the freeness of all the other stuff.
For the very same reason i didn t bought Solasta (yet) an i was really interested in that game as well.
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StingingVelvet: Don't sweat the small stuff, my man. Not worth the stress, and definitely not worth missing out on great games.
Yes, yes it is definitly the only way to push back against social media madness and propaganda
because money is the only way companies understand. Take a good look at Didney now...
or comics where those industries are now. This is the only way, sadly....

and yes i am well aware i ll miss out on a great game, but no thx to orwellian techniques to
"lecture me"

I do the same with mandatory launchers ever since 2010, missed out on some great games that way...
But either you are willing to go through with not attaching your games to a launcher thats starts first
when you execute the game exeutable or not. And we all know how sucky DRM got these days.

It is the same with this "small" language change, it will get sucky... really sucky in no time
before you even can say "Baldurs Gate 3 is awesome", the ragemobs are already formed and
they wait for the moment Larian will say *NO* (we have seen this already)
That is why i am so hardline against the social media speak in the game.
Post edited July 23, 2023 by GHOSTMD
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