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Posted May 12, 2019
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CymTyr: Linux is fine. Unlike Windows, it is completely open source. I just read that MS is going to make Windows 11 Linux based for its kernel, too, in an attempt to.... do something? Apparently despite numbers for Linux being low, there's enough people using it in dual boot or primary setups, that MS is taking it seriously, my point being this.
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hedwards: I think you misunderstood that. I didn't think they were planning on ever having a Windows 11, but to switch to rolling releases.

As far as Linux goes, they aren't going to be basing the system off it, they were planing on including the kernel in the OS so that you could run Linux software more easily.

Basing their OS on Linux at this point would be suicidal. They'd give up all the advantages that come from being on a separate kernel while simultaneously gaining none of the advantages of using Linux. Also, they'd have to opensource their entire system if they did that.
Possibly. When I read the article it was after midnight and I'd worked a long day in retail. Thanks for the clarification.
Posted May 12, 2019
open source windows yeah who would even use that it would be so easy to exploit and stuff cos as we know MS arent really known for patching loopholes and security risks, just look at skype when you could just type i nsomeones username into a ip resolver and get there IP so you could potentially DDOS them
Posted May 12, 2019
Someone is obviously ill informed about what open-sourced actually is, the great potential and freedom it actually offers, and the fact that it can actually be (as, or even) more secure than closed-source.

I'd be more worried (for Microsoft) about how much 'suspect' or 'dubious' code Windows may actually contain, than anything else...
Posted May 12, 2019
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hedwards: I think you misunderstood that. I didn't think they were planning on ever having a Windows 11, but to switch to rolling releases.

As far as Linux goes, they aren't going to be basing the system off it, they were planing on including the kernel in the OS so that you could run Linux software more easily.

Basing their OS on Linux at this point would be suicidal. They'd give up all the advantages that come from being on a separate kernel while simultaneously gaining none of the advantages of using Linux. Also, they'd have to opensource their entire system if they did that.
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CymTyr: Possibly. When I read the article it was after midnight and I'd worked a long day in retail. Thanks for the clarification.
Windows 7 is likely to be the last version of Windows that I'll use, so I haven't been following this that closely. It sounds like it's mostly a module that's likely used by IT rather than typical endusers.

Still, it would be great to have Windows running a Linux kernel as it would make leaving Windows even easier.

I think the ultimate goal they have is to follow a similar development strategy to what you see with Linux where they just do rolling releases over time rather than big discrete releases. Which would make some sense as there's not much reason to do major changes right now. Perhaps in the future if quantum computing is ever viable in a home or office environment, but most of the rest of the stuff is merely iterative.
Posted May 13, 2019
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moobot83: open source windows yeah who would even use that it would be so easy to exploit and stuff cos as we know MS arent really known for patching loopholes and security risks, just look at skype when you could just type i nsomeones username into a ip resolver and get there IP so you could potentially DDOS them
Open source is far more secure than proprietary because corporations are more concerned with data mining than with security, and the two are largely incompatible.
Post edited May 13, 2019 by richlind33
Posted May 13, 2019
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moobot83: open source windows yeah who would even use that it would be so easy to exploit and stuff cos as we know MS arent really known for patching loopholes and security risks, just look at skype when you could just type i nsomeones username into a ip resolver and get there IP so you could potentially DDOS them
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richlind33: Open source is far more secure than proprietary, because corporations are more concerned with data mining than with security, and they are largely incompatible.
That's up to debate, as both types are programmed by humans and all humans are prone to degrees of error when programming,
Posted May 13, 2019
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richlind33: Open source is far more secure than proprietary, because corporations are more concerned with data mining than with security, and they are largely incompatible.
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GameRager: That's up to debate, as both types are programmed by humans and all humans are prone to degrees of error when programming,
Not much of a counterpoint as that applies to both, and might be a greater factor with respect to proprietary.
Posted May 13, 2019
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GameRager: That's up to debate, as both types are programmed by humans and all humans are prone to degrees of error when programming,
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richlind33: Not much of a counterpoint as that applies to both, and might be a greater factor with respect to proprietary.
I was merely trying to point out that both can be flawed due to the human factor.
Posted May 13, 2019
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richlind33: Not much of a counterpoint as that applies to both, and might be a greater factor with respect to proprietary.
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GameRager: I was merely trying to point out that both can be flawed due to the human factor.
Both *will* be flawed, as perfection is impossible. But with open source, security is a top priority, which isn't the case with proprietary systems that mine data from their users.
Posted May 13, 2019
everybodys data is getting mined even if you use linux, cos im pretty sure you have socail media accounts like twitter etc, even if you search on google aswell, so dnt think just having an open source OS is gonna protect you from data mining
Posted May 13, 2019
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moobot83: everybodys data is getting mined even if you use linux, cos im pretty sure you have socail media accounts like twitter etc, even if you search on google aswell, so dnt think just having an open source OS is gonna protect you from data mining
Also if Linux/etc became popular that would make them a bigger target for virus developers/malware makers.

(Iirc one of the big reasons those OSs have so few viruses is because of their low market share/distribution)
Posted May 13, 2019
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moobot83: everybodys data is getting mined even if you use linux, cos im pretty sure you have socail media accounts like twitter etc, even if you search on google aswell, so dnt think just having an open source OS is gonna protect you from data mining
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GameRager: Also if Linux/etc became popular that would make them a bigger target for virus developers/malware makers.

(Iirc one of the big reasons those OSs have so few viruses is because of their low market share/distribution)
Do you count steam statistics as a whole market? Linux based operating systems may well be the most used system on non-mobile devices. There are probably more raspberry pi´s in use than dedicated gaming desktops.
Actually, now that I think about it, Linux is the most targeted "system" by malware/exploit hacking I can think of. There is no money to be made on malware for desktop/laptop personal computers, that is pretty much past era, compared to mobile and server.

TBH if someone hacks my system right now, or get a virus, I would not spend a single cent on it. They may get some personal info, like the porn websites I like the most... Would be frustrated as hell but 1 hour installing windows, most used programs, games and backups would´t be such a big hassle.
If I have sensitive personal information it simply wont go to a phone or computer.
I regulary re-install windows, I´ve bought a cheap ssd to have my system image always ready offline, just boot clonezilla and 15 minutes later I have a fresh, clean install with all I need copied from the backup ssd to my main pc one.
Posted May 13, 2019
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moobot83: everybodys data is getting mined even if you use linux, cos im pretty sure you have socail media accounts like twitter etc, even if you search on google aswell, so dnt think just having an open source OS is gonna protect you from data mining
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GameRager: Also if Linux/etc became popular that would make them a bigger target for virus developers/malware makers.

(Iirc one of the big reasons those OSs have so few viruses is because of their low market share/distribution)
Exactly. Much bigger target area with Microsoft. It's a good move on Microsoft's part, because it will give them the look of beefing up their security quickly in the public eye to a higher standard.
Posted May 13, 2019
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Dark_art_: Do you count steam statistics as a whole market? Linux based operating systems may well be the most used system on non-mobile devices. There are probably more raspberry pi´s in use than dedicated gaming desktops.
Actually, now that I think about it, Linux is the most targeted "system" by malware/exploit hacking I can think of. There is no money to be made on malware for desktop/laptop personal computers, that is pretty much past era, compared to mobile and server.
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TBH if someone hacks my system right now, or get a virus, I would not spend a single cent on it. They may get some personal info, like the porn websites I like the most... Would be frustrated as hell but 1 hour installing windows, most used programs, games and backups would´t be such a big hassle.
If I have sensitive personal information it simply wont go to a phone or computer.
I regulary re-install windows, I´ve bought a cheap ssd to have my system image always ready offline, just boot clonezilla and 15 minutes later I have a fresh, clean install with all I need copied from the backup ssd to my main pc one.
If they have a basic foundation/kernel In count such OSs/distros in the same statistic.

As for viruses, I was talking about my recent memory of viruses being mainly targeted towards windows desktop OSs.....also even though viruses may be being targeted towards mobile/etc users that doesn't mean the desktop users will be/are being hit as bad or as bad as windows OS users.
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I wouldn't spend a cent either, but i'd rather avoid such if possible(I have a ton of games i'd have to reinstall and reconfigure, along with reupdating/reinstalling the main OS & [possibly losing any unsaved personal data.)
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