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rgnrk: Yes, but does it?

I didn't read any articles or numbers stating how well that game did now that people can't get it for free. How it blew every sales charts and all that jazz. And I understand that is not funny at all that people can enjoy for free something you worked for, regardless of if they would buy anyway. But then, denuvo also costs money for the developer.

At the end of the day there's one correlation that always happens: the more pirated games/movies are also the more sucessful ones. And there are games in steam that haven't been cracked yet. Unfortunately that normally doesn't work for the devoloper. It basically means that nobody knows/cares about those games.
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Mr.Caine: That's not how it works at all. Even shitty shovelware games on steam get cracked. JC3 is an AAA game and a sequel in a pretty popular game series. Games like that are way more pirated then even the biggest indies. Not to mention how pirates love a good challenge. If it's still not available it's because they haven't cracked it. A quick google search will show you how it's far from the only denuvo title that still remains unchallenged.
What? Where? How?

My answer was mainly about your quote:
" Clearly it pays off for the devs in some cases"

I don't know what you're talking about, though. As it has nothing to do with what I wrote.
The fact that the most pirated games and movies are the more successful ones is still true.
The fact that there are games uncracked in Steam is still true. And, as I said, it's basically because nobody knows about them (you know, for people to crack games, someone has to buy them in the first place, and there are so many games released each week, that many get forgotten).

And as I never said anything about Denuvo being difficult to crack or not, I don't know what the rest of your stuff is about. But yes, there are many uncracked denuvo games. Why? It's hard work; a lot of time is needed to go through all the checkpoints. And then, cracks only work for the last released version. Patches need to be cracked again. So it makes sense to wait until a game if fully patched out. And then, CPY started cracking the last incarnation of denuvo not so long ago. And if release dates are to be acknowledged, it takes them more than 2 weeks for each game. So yes, there are different priorities on which games to crack first. And JC3, with it's lukewarm reception doesn't seem be at the top. In fact, the last cracked denuvo game by CPY was The Phantom Pain, which is a older games that apparently already had a non scene crack by 3DM.

Crackers love a challenge. But cracking denuvo isn't one right know. It's a chore.
Aaaaaand Denuvo talk about their DRM explaining why it got removed from some games.

https://kotaku.com/denuvo-explains-why-doom-dropped-their-anti-piracy-tech-1790192362
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fishbaits: Aaaaaand Denuvo talk about their DRM explaining why it got removed from some games.

https://kotaku.com/denuvo-explains-why-doom-dropped-their-anti-piracy-tech-1790192362
Confirmed! They removed Denuvo from Doom to sell it on GoG!
Let the reckless speculation begin!
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fishbaits: Aaaaaand Denuvo talk about their DRM explaining why it got removed from some games.

https://kotaku.com/denuvo-explains-why-doom-dropped-their-anti-piracy-tech-1790192362
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RWarehall: Confirmed! They removed Denuvo from Doom to sell it on GoG!
Let the reckless speculation begin!
mmm... It then leads to the big question: is it this game even worth paying attention to?

I saw the gameplay videos when it was released and was rather unimpressed (I stick to the classic Doom 1&2)
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catpower1980: mmm... It then leads to the big question: is it this game even worth paying attention to?

I saw the gameplay videos when it was released and was rather unimpressed (I stick to the classic Doom 1&2)
I personally love the fast-paced shooting action of this title. It feels good, like a modern Doom game. I can't offer any better endorsement than that.
It definitely looks funky, plus it seems to be working a dream on Linux (even Wine apparently too).
Sort of a faster paced Killing Floor, which can only be a good thing.

Not looked into if the pvp is any good or not though.
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paladin181: modern
That cursed word! :o)

Doom "4" footages reminded me of games like Painkiller & co which are closer to arena shooters IMHO rather than the level design and exploration of the old ID Software games.
That's a start. Puts things into perspective. Yet, still, i will NEVER buy it, unless it comes at GOG!
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fishbaits: Aaaaaand Denuvo talk about their DRM explaining why it got removed from some games.

https://kotaku.com/denuvo-explains-why-doom-dropped-their-anti-piracy-tech-1790192362
But why would they even bother to remove the DRM, then?
I'm not very convinced..
Post edited December 17, 2016 by phaolo
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fishbaits: Aaaaaand Denuvo talk about their DRM explaining why it got removed from some games.

https://kotaku.com/denuvo-explains-why-doom-dropped-their-anti-piracy-tech-1790192362
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phaolo: But why would they even bother to remove the DRM, then?
I'm not very convinced..
Denuvo still has an impact on a game's performance, that's an undeniable fact. Of course, as for how Doom and some other titles go, their performance isn't bad (compared to *cough* Batman AK or Lords of The Fallen *cough*). Still, there are many people around steam that don't like anything more than steam DRM, and on top of that, the chance (although unlikely, heck, we don't have TES Oblivion yet) to make it's appearance on the GOG store.
Post edited December 17, 2016 by Gurlok
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Gurlok: Denuvo still has an impact on a game's performance, that's an undeniable fact.
Didn't they say that the impact was irrelevant? (not that I believe it)
And the published spent money just to make late customers have more FPS? Nah..
Post edited December 17, 2016 by phaolo
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phaolo: But why would they even bother to remove the DRM, then?
I'm not very convinced..
As far as I know they pay a monthly fee for using Denuvo, that would seem reason enough
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Gurlok: Denuvo still has an impact on a game's performance, that's an undeniable fact.
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phaolo: Didn't they say that the impact was irrelevant? (not that I believe it)
And the published spent money just to make late customers have more FPS? Nah..
This entirely depends on how it is implemented, if during development, through update, in which state of the game's engine and so on.
Honsetly, the only reason I believe is that bethesda wanted to appear in a "better light", along gaining the money from those users who despise denuvo for a reason or another.

Let's imagine this scenario:

- A bunch of consumer like Doom, but they don't purchase it because they hate any other form of drm/anti tamper;
- Those consumer will either never buy it, or just wait it to be cracked in order to play the game one time and then scratch it.
- Bethesda potentially loses moeny from those potential customers;
- The game get cracked;
- The game ends up being downloaded by both pirates and by a portion of those potential customers, since they don't want to have anything to do with some kind of protection of dubious origins (the minds behind denuvo are those from securom, starforce);
- NOW Bethesda has lost moneys from those potential customers;
- Bethesda remove denuvo from the game
- A portion of those legit consumers will now buy and enjoy the game;
- Bethesda recovered a fraction of their loss.

What I'm trying to say here is: No matter how much you want to get the game uncrackable, it will hurt MORE the legit consumer interested in said title (which will end up in less money). You can say that the more "hasty" pirates will close an eye and buy any denuvo game in order to play it, but that's just a small fraction, if compared to the majority of pirates, which will never buy a game, and just move on.

Like people (as I do) love GOG for it's drm free policy, people on steam dislike "other than steam drm" policy.
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Pheace: As far as I know they pay a monthly fee for using Denuvo, that would seem reason enough
If it is so, I understand the decision.
But a monthly subscription for a DRM system seems quite weird to me..

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Gurlok: - A bunch of consumer like Doom, but they don't purchase it because they hate any other form of drm/anti tamper;
Are you saying that the DRM-free believers have become relevant?
I think we're still too few to really matter for the industry.
That's why here new AAA games are a rarity.
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Pheace: As far as I know they pay a monthly fee for using Denuvo, that would seem reason enough
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phaolo: If it is so, I understand the decision.
But a monthly subscription for a DRM system seems quite weird to me..

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Gurlok: - A bunch of consumer like Doom, but they don't purchase it because they hate any other form of drm/anti tamper;
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phaolo: Are you saying that the DRM-free believers have become relevant?
I think we're still too few to really matter for the industry.
That's why here new AAA games are a rarity.
No, I'm saying that steam users are relevant. Also, considering how denuvo is generally hated, this can't be beneficial for any sh or pubblisher which is not EA or UBI (which consider 99% of pc gamers as pirates).
Besides, if anything, GOG is the most influencial drm free platform on the world, and not only it's increasing its library, but it's gaining notoriety days by days. I considerr GOG Galaxy and GOG Connect key features for its expansion, other than getting near (although slowly) to steam and break its monopoly.