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Waifu4Life: You're suppose to read the topic, not just the title.
Right. I kind of guessed that this wasn't the opinion you were looking for, but to be honest, I don't believe I had ever given the Steam Deck much thought until now and your question led to some soul searching on my part (for 5 minutes or so) as to my deep honest opinion about the Steam Deck.

Granted, given my aversion to the "always distracted" lifestyle that mobile devices enable, my opinion that society places far too much emphasis on hardware (I won't get into that) and my overall dislike of Steam's business model, my outlook was predictable, but regardless I did give it an honest consideration and once the realization of my opinion about the Steam Deck dawned on me, I just felt compelled to share it.

So thank you for making me cogitate and come to realize my opinion about the Steam Deck. However, if you have your heart set on that little device, by all means, don't let my opinion stand in the way of your love.

PS: If I think some more about it, I think its the "do you have one?" question of your title that led to the natural progression in my head of "do you want one?", but anyways, I've digressed enough. By all means, proceed with your life.
Post edited March 23, 2023 by Magnitus
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ssling: Like what?
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neumi5694: Like: does this work on Linux?
it uses Steam OS, which is a fork of Debian 8 (Debian Jessie)
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Magnitus: I'm sure there are legitimate uses cases for it (ex: if you commute a lot on public transit and don't like to read), but not for me.
I picked it up on sale, mostly for the different form factor strangely enough. I just feel there's some games I just... rarely feel like playing on my PC because I'm not much of a controller player and I don't feel like hooking one up/playing like that on my PC. But there's games I have that feel more suited to a handheld type gameplay, like the turnbased strategy ones (Disgaea/Tactics Ogre), or maybe some of the tales games, or Valkyria chronicles, My time with Sandrock, Eiyuden Chronicles etc.

Seems nice so far. Picked up the 64GB with the aim to put in a cheap 1-2TB ssd myself later.
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amok: it uses Steam OS, which is a fork of Debian 8 (Debian Jessie)
SteamOS is based on Arch.
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ssling: SteamOS is based on Arch.
SteamOS 3, that is used on the Steam Deck, is based on Arch Linux.
SteamOS 1 and 2 are based on Debian, and were supposed to power the previous failure from Valve.
Post edited March 24, 2023 by vv221
Since the thread developed a little, I'll throw my 1/2 cent rant about the Deck.

The Deck is great on many senses, it's on the heavy side and the screen is small for my tastes but feels solid and well built, overall is a awsome device. Note that I never had any previous "handheld", but there's a reason why many people don't even play on the "gaming" desktop anymore, you know, the RTRX9999 powered with 1500W of RGB.
Being a little more picky, I would like a more efficient CPU and a bigger display but overall is a awsome device to play games. Even people who think is underpowered had a blast playing action games at 40fps, yes 40........
It's not a great experience on every game, like a RTStrategy game for exemple but that's expected. Lot's of little details and so many incredible setups that are possible it's almost unreal.

I mainly use Windows but also use Linux for a few years, probably started on Ubuntu 12 or 14, can't even remember, now using Bodhi Linux and MX Linux. I also hate Windows 10, the slowness, what it does and what it mean. With a passion.

You know the worst Operating System I ever used? Easy win: SteamOS 3 on the Deck.

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SargonAelther: Well you'll need to rely on Heroic launcher if you want any shred of convenience. Achievements won't work obviously.

Otherwise you'll have to manually load the setup onto the device, add the setup as a steam game, assign a compatibility layer, "play" the setup, install the game to some fake Windows Directory, then go back to your setup "game" and change the link from the setup to the game's executable, by navigating weird Linux directories, random IDs that Steam assigns (have fun figuring that one out every single time you install a game, especially since you navigate via stupid Steam UI and not Dolphin, thus you cannot sort by last modified date and have to look it up separately), then fake Windows directories till you finally reach that executable.

Of course if you're already a Linux user, you may be used to dealing with all this madness.

I personally dislike Steam OS, the inability to gain Achievements, and lack of a keyboard. We need to tinker so much and there's no keyboard! The on-screen keyboard doesn't even have a CTRL key! I got fed up and just went back to GPD, who have been in this game far longer than Valve. I have recently ordered a GPD Win 4. It should arrive in a month or so. Steam Deck's only advantage is the price IMO.

If I could only afford a Steam Deck, I would have installed Windows on it by now, rather than sacrifice achievements and deal with that madness. I mean sure, the Heroic launcher simplifies things a bit, but you have to trust a 3rd party client with your account.
Everything described here is a major annoyance.
The On Screen Keyboard only took 6+ months to be usable on the desktop/computer mode, it's still not as precise as in game/console mode, it's a pain in the knee to use most of the times and yes, can't even manage a fucking Ctrl+C because there's no Control key, although it has emojis and skins you can get in the Steam shop...
After 1 year, they finally managed to put up and down arrow keys on the keyboard, in a device being sold "as a pc". With a desktop/computer mode.

Forced auto-updates, even if it manages to crap the Boot process. Only once I had to recover the system though, the other times are a smooth update with nothing more than freezes and black screens for a few minutes.

Controls on Desktop Mode (typical Linux experience KDE Plasma) can be tweaked to your lliking but can only be done via Steam itself.
Feels like Beta Software, or "games as a service that over promise and need 5 years to be stable and usable". It's possible to install any other OS but without Steam running, stock controls it is (not that bad though). No Steam, no controlo.

Desktop mode it's hard to use due the way Valve setup the thing, touch interface is crap and plenty usual Linux software is not available, like the good old OnBoard (on screen keyboard, I've used for years on tablets). But some the worst parts (not really Valve fault) are the hype and copy pasta articles everywhere, finding a relevant answer for a "not entry-level" question lead to filter dozens of articles.
Oh God, the time I spent before I finally managed to install Java for a simple program I use all the time, not Minecraft Java launcher.


I could go on and on but for a "GaMeR" who only wants a console it works surprisingly well. Get used to the controls, click install, wait for the download and after the first start, done. Tweak gamepad and/or in game settings and enjoy.
The GPU isn't as powerfull as many people say but is very efficient and works very well with the 1280x800 low resolution screen. The Gamescope/Mangohud is a Godsend to tweak games, way easier than Windows.

I need to sleep. All in all, hardware is fine but the OS is what is expected from Valve, made to use with Steam and nothing else. Desktop mode is a lie.

Protip: if you left the Deck sitting on idle, like downloading a game, the "home" (Recent games) dinamic effects waste quite a bit of battery. Battery time can actually be longer playing games like Fell Seal (with tweaks) than left it idle on "Home" directory, just use any other screen without effects.
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Waifu4Life: Saw some YouTube videos launching GOG Galaxy on the Steam Deck, that being said, don't know if achievements work or not.
Well sure, I got Galaxy "working" on it too, by installing it the same annoying way I described before, but, for whatever reason, Galaxy was draining battery at an insane level, more than any other game, and it would fail to "finalise" a game installation, no matter what proton version I ran Galaxy in. Sure a newer galaxy version and a different game are all variables that may work for you, but I was not gonna test every singe game, so I just gave up.

As I mentioned previously, as a primarily GOG users, I'd install Windows on my Steam Deck, if I didn't have my GPD.

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device being sold "as a pc". With a desktop/computer mode.
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I could go on and on but for a "GaMeR" who only wants a console it works surprisingly well. Get used to the controls, click install, wait for the download and after the first start, done. Tweak gamepad and/or in game settings and enjoy.
The GPU isn't as powerfull as many people say but is very efficient and works very well with the 1280x800 low resolution screen.
Well that's really the thing isn't it? It's great if you live within Steam and want a console for gaming and absolutely nothing else (game tinkering included). My sister loves the Steam Deck, because it's basically a console that runs Steam. For the most part, it just works... unless the game uses some unusual licensed codec for cutscenes that Valve didn't want to pay for and then no cutscenes for you lol.

My friend also says that the reason I dislike my Steam Deck is because I am using it for "unintended purposes". Well maybe I am, but they marketed it as a PC and I intend to use it as a PC. If I wanted a console, I would have gotten a switch. It may technically be a PC, but the desktop and everything outside of Steam seem incredibly discouraged.

At one point I wanted to save a customised config file to my NAS, but one day, for whatever reason, Dolphin just lost the ability to write to my NAS, citing false errors about permissions. It could read just fine, but not write. That account absolutely had write permissions and every other device, including SD itself previously, worked fine. Then I thought I'll open up OneNote website and dump it there. To my surprise, I got the following message (Please see attachment). And as you know, there is no keyboard or a CTRL key within OSK... That was the last straw for me. This is not a PC, I don't care what the "intended use" for this thing is, but it is no PC! They sold it to me with a "Yes, it's a PC" meme, but the OS is so horrible that this is no longer a PC. It's a toy. At this point it's not even a Windows vs Linux thing. It's a Steam OS thing. It sucks!

So once again, I've gone back to my Chinese handhelds. They may cost more, but all the 6800U handhelds already outperform the Steam deck and if I go with GPD (Win Max 2 or Win 4), I get my keyboard, a mouse, proper touch support in Windows, native support for galaxy and all that, plus on-screen keyboard that works, even if there was no physical one lol. Oh and MS Office and NAS support without weird issues.
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Post edited March 24, 2023 by SargonAelther
Setting up Galaxy to run your games is a hassle and it takes forever to start them, but if you set it up right and use a common prefix folder for Galaxy and your games, and tell the deck to run your games through Galaxy in the launch target, then yes, achievements work. I'm doing it for the cloud saves, but I think I'm just going to stop using Galaxy on Linux and just go straight to the game files.
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Pheace: I picked it up on sale, mostly for the different form factor strangely enough. I just feel there's some games I just... rarely feel like playing on my PC because I'm not much of a controller player and I don't feel like hooking one up/playing like that on my PC. But there's games I have that feel more suited to a handheld type gameplay, like the turnbased strategy ones (Disgaea/Tactics Ogre), or maybe some of the tales games, or Valkyria chronicles, My time with Sandrock, Eiyuden Chronicles etc.

Seems nice so far. Picked up the 64GB with the aim to put in a cheap 1-2TB ssd myself later.
For what it's worth, I get where you are coming from with PC controllers.

I have 4 logitech controllers (1 for me, 1 for my wife, 2 for additional guests) and while 90%+ of the time they work fine, they have been known to get finicky occasionally. Also, for 2 of them, the analog sticks are getting slightly weird (I'll probably have to open them up at some point and see if they have accumulated dust inside or something).
Post edited March 24, 2023 by Magnitus
My previuos post is quite confusing but still leave as it is. Being tired and late to bed has some effects...
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SargonAelther: My friend also says that the reason I dislike my Steam Deck is because I am using it for "unintended purposes". Well maybe I am, but they marketed it as a PC and I intend to use it as a PC. If I wanted a console, I would have gotten a switch. It may technically be a PC, but the desktop and everything outside of Steam seem incredibly discouraged.

At this point it's not even a Windows vs Linux thing. It's a Steam OS thing. It sucks!
Routine stuff Pc users do is indeed cumbersome on the deck. I was using Linux Mint on a SD card wich I swap for the 128Gb games SD card when needing a "proper" desktop experience, including 2 good On Screen Keyboards. That's probably why the bootloader broke after a forced update.
The most annoying thing about using the GOG offline installers on the Deck is navigating the Steam folder explorer. Doing a double click on the R2 button is annoying as heck. My trick is to add the SteamApps folder as a Dolphin (folder explorer) shortcut and sort the folders for last access (attached image, how freaking dificult it is to take a screen shot).
To get around the Ctrl issue, I use the Select button as a Ctrl+C shortcut.

The SteamOS 3 is possibly the most Microsoft-ish Linux based OS.

The good thing about the millions of Deck users is that always-online single player and DRMed games are coming to public opinion, specially AAAAA titles.

Edit: I still like and recomend SteamOS 3 for a desktop computer for somene who will play Steam games anyway, wich I believe are the majority of "LiNuX GaMeRs", very easy to setup if you have a non-nVidia card and very esay to use. Is actually a smooth experience (I've tried before getting the Deck).

Wait, it only occured to me now that those mini pc's running new DDR5 AMD chips, like the minisforum um690, are the always intended Steam machines? Crap, I need one of those :)
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Post edited March 24, 2023 by Dark_art_
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Dark_art_: Dark_art_ post21
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SargonAelther: SargonAelther post22
Thanks Dark_art_ & SargonAelther for sharing your experiences

I feel associated to the term "unintended purposes":
I expect/want reasonably more from electronic devices
than their average/promised features
And based on your opinions, seems this is another one
I would need to severely adjust my expectations...
Enough time & energy with past things like
tablets, smartphones & derivatives to end up
with short results for all the trouble...

...or I got old... That might be :)