They is plural, and it refers to "them". Just like 2+2 is still 4, regardless if it offends someone.

i have to say the 2k monitor really opened my eyes in that respect, lets call it about what i feared when i bought the damn thing in terms of user convenience, and with that i mean gaming with fan speeds reaching take off runway speeds.

a game such as final fantasy for example, even my cpu ( a 10600k ) hops up from the regular 10 % loads to around 30 if go for a steady 60 fps and rises even more if i try 100 fps around 40 and that is not the only game where that happens
( which seems to be the limit of the 2060 super capabilities for 2k )

the ram increase is also pretty noteworthy.
at 1080p around 4 was considered highest for the gpu with total war warhammer 2 as the largest consumer hitting around 5,5 gpu and around 11 system but now i see values of 6 and 7 gigs of vram usage and almost 15 to 16 gb's of system memory, i finally found some reason for the 32 gb's i was carrying with me

maybe a higher tiered gpu would have cost less memory but i found that fact pretty surprising to see



final fantasy example of usage

only 30 fps so the cpu takes life simple ;-)

Anything relying on userbenchmark can be safely disregarded. Utterly useless site. Even if you're Intel only it's still utterly useless, since they were still recommending the 9600k after 10000 series released. And the awful value 8350k before that.

How low power do you want? Van Gogh will go as low as ~7W as an APU, though I wouldn't expect them any time soon given the supply squeeze at TSMC.

Financially Atom and Celeron were almost completely pointless for Intel, and would likely be even more so for AMD.

Well, i won't say utterly useless, the predictions in gains percentage wise felt pretty accurate overall. both on the cpu front as well as gpu. I did read the recommendation to go for the 9600k instead as the better value for money choice and to be honest that statement did seem backed by reviewers in general cases. The addition of extra cores seems only really applicable in the case of larger open world games.... and maybe people looking for extreme fps but in that case you where probably already looking at minimal 7's and up, at least in my world ;-)

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the complete read-out btw

Intel’s tenth gen, six-core i5-10600K is one of the fastest consumer CPUs currently available. Out of the box, its maximum all core frequency is 4.5 GHz, but a simple overclock allows all 12 threads to hit 5.0 GHz. Although a new Z490 (LGA1200) motherboard is required, Intel have indicated that LGA1200 will remain compatible with Rocket Lake CPUs which are due later this year. The eight-core Ryzen 3700X currently competes in the 10600K’s price bracket. CPU based encoding is akin to using hair clippers on a lawn but If dedicated hardware such as NVENC or QuickSync is not an option, the 3700X can outperform the 10600K in encoding workloads such as UserBenchmark 64-core, Cinebench, Blender-CPU and Handbrake-CPU. Meanwhile, the 10600K is better for almost everything else. Currently, the real problem with the 10600K, and much of the Comet Lake line up, is availability. Whilst there was a paper launch in Q2 2020, at the time of writing, the 10600K is still largely unavailable for purchase. In order to achieve better value for money, without compromising on gaming performance, it is necessary to consider the older generation 9600K which is 26% cheaper and offers similar gaming performance. [Jun '20 CPUPro]

Well, 5000 series Ryzens are out for me, pretty much. "Out", as in "off the table."

Namely b/c the CPU that I picked for my new PC (put order in around Black Friday, BTW) - which arrived recently, BTW - had on sale a 10700KF for a good amount of $ off. And the mobo that I also picked - well, that was on same w/ $ off too.

So, yeah - my new W10 PC has a 10700KF, Z490-Plus WiFi motherboard, 16 GB RAM, and 8GB RTX 3070.

Yes, I saw it was on sale for a really good price in the USA. I might also have been tempted.

To add to that now that AMD's series lineup is more or less available the prices are inflated, I mean 400€ for a 5600X? Seriuosly?
Keep it.

400 Euro for a 5600X is just an abuse of the wallet and not justified at all. Even if I had 400 Euro, I wouldn't spend it on a 5600X. I'd probably buy a ps5.

I think they're $300 USD here currently, which also feels like an abuse of the wallet considering they're supposed to be the current gen equivalent of the 3600, which is and has been available for $200 USD.

lol, userbenchmark is lit!!

The Ryzen 7 5800X is one of four new processors from AMD’s latest range of Zen 3 CPUs. The new architecture is more power efficient than Zen 2 and also yields significant performance improvements. All four new CPUs have the ‘X’ nomenclature, indicating that they are tuned to their maximum clock speeds out-of-box. The 5800X has 8 cores and 16 threads with base/boost clock speeds of 3.8/4.7 GHz, 36 MB of cache and a 105W TDP. At $449 USD, the 5800X is relatively expensive, but it still offers better value than the 5900X. A 500 series motherboard is recommended but the new Zen 3 CPUs will work with most 400 series motherboard following a BIOS update (expected in Q1 2021). At AMD’s launch presentation, they said they finally had the best CPUs for gaming. Our benchmarks show that the 5800X is comparable to Intel’s $200 USD i5-9600K. Gamers that do not wish to pay “marketing fees” can invest those savings in a better GPU which will produce an unquestionably better gaming PC. [Nov '20 CPUPro]

Userbenchmark...wasn't there something oh yeah

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/userbenchmark-reportedly-favors-intel-comet-lake-cpus-over-ryzen-ever-more-than-before/

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/js3e8b/userbenchmark_gives_wins_to_intel_cpus_even/

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/userbenchmark-benchmark-change-criticism-amd-intel,40032.html

The articles are out of date now, though the reddit post is recent. Not that the overall situation has changed much, only got worse.

FTR: The 9600K is a poor buy. It's a bad buy even if you limited yourself to Intel options. It's more than enough reason to distrust userbenchmark irrespective of their benchmark fudging.

If you were buying 9000 series 9700K or 9400(/F; since you could use a cheap MB) were better options a year ago and the 9600K is completely supplanted by 10000 series option now. You even have an upgrade path from CometLake to Rocket Lake with 10000 series, for once.

cmon now, this statement about how a 200 dollar cpu can be considered a better buy then a 400 one if your on a budget and have gaming on your mind, nothing less

you see the same statement for the 10600k and the 10700k. The 9600k is a pretty good performer capable of easily hitting those 100+ fps if you have a capable gpu.

and to be completely honest, i still not know for certain if the 10600k + rog strix motherboard i'm using is really really better then the r5 2600 aorus motherboard ( cheap one ) i used beforehand.

Loads in certain games seem to work better such as open world games and strategy titles but that might be also due to other kinds of software updates

The 2060super i'm using does work somewhat better in most situations it seems but again, with me capping at 60 fps in general.

the only thing i can state for certain is that the overall level of user satisfaction seems to be a lot higher with intel then with the amd combination wich might as well had to do with the parts used but there it is. windows seems to work more efficient , i don't have the feeling anymore of falling just short in game performance, and the overall number of faults and bugs seem to be much lower.

Depending on tax returns, it's looking like I might be able to get a new cpu as early as summer, assuming my essential work maintains, which I don't see why it wouldn't.

Very grateful to have had a steady job through this pandemic. It's great we can discuss new tech and whether or not we're buying it, but I'm very cognizant of all the people struggling to pay bills.

I hope everyone in 2021 that wants to update tech components ends up having the ability to do so. :)

For the summer prices should have settled finally so you might fin d a good deal.