i don't even know what to think about the truth anymore.....

Ive' always been a firm supporter of anything but team red, and certainly with the ryzen 5 2600 debacle fresh in mind and now to think that the shortages already, well to be honest, lets call it one of the reasons that i'm looking forward to this technique just in case that when the moment comes that i need to change gpu's ( aiming for a rtx 4070 in about 3 years from now ) and there is no stock to be found or prices have gone again through the roof for whatever reason possible but possible evil retailers and schemes are to blame

Yes, no and kinda.... The basic principle is to be able to play a game at a higher resolution and framerate and have the end result look better overall than if one couldn't do that and had to play the game at a lower resolution/framerate.

For example, lets say you can play a game comfortably at 1080p60fps but in 1440p you get 30fps and it is too jumpy so you find it unplayable and opt instead to play 1080p60. With DLSS or FSR you can play at 1440p60 per se, and the quality of the upscaling should result in an end result that looks better than 1080p60 but not quite as good as native 1440p60. So it is an overall net win despite not being absolutely flawless.

And this is important too when people compare DLSS to FSR. DLSS will almost certainly be superior in quality overall as it is a more mature technology. That doesn't really matter though, what matters is whether or not either of these technologies can give visually better results at a higher resolution and framerate than playing at a lower resolution. If they are better then they're useful and people will want to use them to have a better overall experience. If one can just play at a higher resolution natively it will look better of course...

... except that they've found DLSS can actually make some things look better with upscaling than at native resolution, which on the surface sounds impossible until one researches how and why it's able to do this in which case it is pretty interesting and also impressive.

As long as higher resolution with FSR looks better than lower resolution without it it is going to be a win, and it'll likely only improve over time. AMD's likely to add acceleration for it in RDNA3 also and give it a further boost potentially.

But... this is all hypothetical on the AMD side at least until the technology is available in some games publicly and gets tested to see if it delivers usable functionality.

Another thing worth noting which I don't see many people mention, is that when Nvidia pumped up DLSS and released DLSS 1.0 it was pure unusable garbage and everyone turned it on, went "meh, this is terrible" and turned it right back off. It wasn't until DLSS 2.0 until people almost universally acknowledged that it was now very functional. FSR does not have to beat or even come close to DLSS to be a useful successful technology. It just has to be better than DLSS 1.0, be usable and produce better looking results when enabled than the lower resolution it is upscaling from, and the associated frame rate uplift.

How do they know that? Doesn't it bother anyone that they secretly collect that information? What else are they collecting that you don't know about?

Do you know all the stuff that you can do in Steam? That's what they collect.

actually, they do hold surveys where users can submit their system information

Over the years i've participated in 2 myself. It seems that every day internet use is more of a revelation of your personal information towards others then using steam ;)

Sometimes Steam asks whether you want to participate to a hardware survey, and if you do, it automatically collects information on what OS you use and what kind of hardware you have.

So I know what they are collecting, as far as those hardware/OS surveys go. I am sure they collect also other data without asking me, like what games I play, how long I play them etc.

Huh,, hm nice performance? Good to hear.
Lets hope to get dont want to see 'Out of Stock' lol.

Last I checked Steam's hardware/software survey is opt-in, not something that happens secretly behind the scenes to snoop on people's computers. Personally I don't participate in the survey because while I'm totally ok with sharing my hardware information with Steam, I'm not comfortable with them surfing my hard drive to find out what all software is installed or other details, and they don't allow sharing hardware details while opting out of the software details.

Just tried out AMD FSR in Anno 1800.

THere are 4 presets: Performance, Balanced, Quality and Ultra. It pops up with a warning if you try to enable them without 4x AA btw, so keep that ticked on.

I'm on a 1070gtx @1440p, ryzen 3700x and on Linux. I used DX11 mode. Anno 1800 is known to be a CPU intensive game.

Yet the performance gains, fps gains, are impressive. I didn't do a proper benchmark, just used a fps/frametime monitoring tool for the same save doing same stuff each time (MangoHUD).

Performance preset gave me a huge increase, pretty much doubled my fps from 40-50. It also looked quite bad when I zoomed out in Anno. Actually, it just looked bad, period. Everywhere. Quite a pixelated mess.

However Balanced looked alright and still gave me at least a 50% increase in fps.

Quality and Ultra then seemed pointless to me, but maybe in other prettier games the presets would make sense.

All in all quite impressed. Digging team Red atm, as Nvidia doesn't even allow me to use DLSS on my card.

thanks for your feedback, sadly no supported games are in my library ( almost bought godfall to try but, already bought my share of games churning to 3 months of gaming allowance ( i do hope that it will arrive too for horizon forbidden dawn ) ) and it seems for now that nowhere soon there will be any.

for now i'm still good with nvidia with at least 6 <--- titles that use DLSS

CyberPunk
Mechwarrior 5
Control
Mortal Shell ( though that one keeps crashing atm )
Crysis Remastered

and , and i belief those are it :(

Oh right

Anthem and Outriders too

I do have FF 15 too but since i don't have a 4k monitor DLSS is disabled

this whole fsr and dlss feature may seem great at first, but i smell the big problem that will arise with it over time. soon both amd and nvidia will sell cards that are targeted at a 1080p/1440p/2160p with fsr/dlss experience. but these would work crappy when gaming in the targeted resolution without fsr/dlss. and they'll charge the same price that they used to for a card with great performance at 1080p/1440p/2160p without fsr/dlss. this is a hidden way for them to rise the gfx prices again. we already have a similar experience with consoles, where one expects 1080p (for ps4/xb1) but gets dynamic resolution or upscaling.

it works in anno 1800 pretty cool :P

ive read it only takes a few hours to put into games , hopefully most games will be updated in a few months